RE: God does not love you...
May 6, 2012 at 10:20 am
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2012 at 10:36 am by Drich.)
(May 6, 2012 at 4:53 am)Forsaken Wrote: Goes against what your bible teaches mate:Do you not understand the OP? I am saying God loves, just not unconditionally as most of you think. I have pointed out that the Love of God "Agape" Is very conditional. Your verses prove that.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
This is the condition of God's love is it not? God loved the world so much that He did this________ Next comes the condition: That who so ever believes in Him.... This condition make God's love conditional. which supports "my teaching."
Lets look at 1 John 2 in it's proper context and not just one line:
2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
7 Brethren,[a] I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning.[b] 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
It seems to me that John is also showing us the conditions of our love for God/God's love for us, is dependent on how we live our lives.
The primary message being that yes God offers love to the whole world but under certain conditions and not this understanding of unconditional love most of you have demanded of God.
(May 6, 2012 at 5:43 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: I'm not sure what you're out to prove,That there is a fatal flaw in the general understanding of the Love God offers.
Quote:I'm sure you will say "who are we to judge him", but this is at odds with the idea of a parent-god.I would agree if you only looked at the last 50 years of parenting in western cultures. If this narrow window is how you view the whole of human history up to these last two generations in the culture you are most familiar I can not dispute your conclusions. That only leaves me the option to ask that you look beyond yourself and what you are comfortable with to every other generation that you are standing on to make your great judgment. I ask you look at the bigger picture and to whom your judgment excludes.
If you know a child, whom is ignored by his parents, given rules to follow in a language the child can't read, and punished if he fails to adhere to them.. You'd call social services.
(May 6, 2012 at 10:17 am)Napoleon Wrote: Lemme just say. If god WAS real, I'd be joining the devil anyway.You do understand this is not greek mythology right? The devil is not the god of the under world. The devil is cast into hell with the rest of the weeds, tares, chaff, goats etc.. Not to rule, but to be seperated from God just like everyone else.
This world is the closest thing the devil and his followers have to a kingdom. So enjoy it now, if this is what you truly have chosen for yourself.