RE: Chat with a creationist
May 6, 2012 at 1:33 pm
(May 6, 2012 at 11:53 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Appeal to probability...? Your house is standing right now because civil engineers used probabilities to calculate its members so that it won't ever collapse. Probability also explains why you can even see at all; because the bombardment of millions of photons at an atom (i.e. object) will give a high probability of the electrons jumping to an excited state and coming back down therefore releasing a photon i.e. light. Probability is sometimes the only way to analyze or understand something.
I thought engineers used formulas, so maybe I'm wrong. Probability does not explain any of those other things you've. You just reject God so that's best you can do at this time/ Of course I'm pretty sure they understand the anatomy of the eye, so therefore we can explain why we can see without using probability. Probability only addresses possibility and that's it.
Quote:I could say that your hope in winning the lotto is appeal to probability. That's silly, because it can be calculated how many times you would have to play to win. Habitable planets wouldn't be any different. Keep discovering more and eventually you'll find one with life.
I don't play the lottery. Nor am I trying to make a point by appealing to the "possibility" of me winning it.
Quote:When did we discover the conditions of these other billion planets? Cite your source please.
We've only just scratched the surface. There is still so much to be seen, if we'll ever be able to see that much in detail to be able to observe life. The technology is most likely lacking for that sort of capability right now.
Again, out of the billions upon billions of planets out there, the earth by default represents the chance that a planet could have the features like ours. It's basic probability.
Notice how I said earth was the only "documented" (since I figured I'd get a typical response such as yours). Billions upon billions of possibilities and we've only documented 1 life sustaining planet. You cannot keep using the "we haven't discovered them yet" card every time. That putting faith that we will actually discover other life sustaining planet by using your appeal to probability approach (Billions of planets therefore a few more should sustain life).
Quote:Quote:In what way does a guy BUILDING a model that resembles eye function of various organism prove that they "evolved" naturally. There no logic or evidence in this video to support that claim.
Yes there is. He is showing that along every step there is a benefit, which in turn would favour the species for survival. That's natural selection for you.
Yeah but he is "guiding the process" and you know evolution can't do that...
Quote:Quote:Spiderman isn't in the bible (
). But those peoples mentioned are and in correct order that agrees with history.
The Da Vinci Code is literally history within a fiction framework. Are those characters real? No. There's no reason to think that because it contains aspects of reality it therefore must be real.
I did not realize The Da Vinci Code claimed to be an autobiography.
Quote:Quote:Well then Spiderman doesn't actually live in New York (since he's not real).
Within the comics he does live in New York. That is a fact 
Indeed he is...
Quote:Quote:Post link to thread please.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-12692.html
There you are =)
[/quote]Thank you...