RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 8, 2012 at 10:13 pm
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2012 at 11:01 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
@Ryft
I don't know what's believed largely by Christians in Canada, but down here in the states, there's actually a large number of groups of Christians who think salvation is completely by faith alone (in Christ of course, not just "faith") on the part of the believer. And they'll also adamantly reject "salvation is through faith alone but that faith is not itself alone." To them, the faith is completely alone (works comes after as part of "sanctification") and they think your view boils down to salvation by works. If you're interested, Fred Lybrand wrote a book called "Back to Faith" that expresses this side.
Basically, there's a debate going on between "Free Grace" salvation and "Lordship" salvation (which would be close to your view) right now.
Also, look at the "Constable's" commentary on the passage in James in the NET bible to find this side's interpretation of the James passage.
I'm not going to defend it, but I'm just letting you know where the confusion you hear on the part of atheists on Christian salvation is coming from.
I don't know what's believed largely by Christians in Canada, but down here in the states, there's actually a large number of groups of Christians who think salvation is completely by faith alone (in Christ of course, not just "faith") on the part of the believer. And they'll also adamantly reject "salvation is through faith alone but that faith is not itself alone." To them, the faith is completely alone (works comes after as part of "sanctification") and they think your view boils down to salvation by works. If you're interested, Fred Lybrand wrote a book called "Back to Faith" that expresses this side.
Basically, there's a debate going on between "Free Grace" salvation and "Lordship" salvation (which would be close to your view) right now.
Also, look at the "Constable's" commentary on the passage in James in the NET bible to find this side's interpretation of the James passage.
I'm not going to defend it, but I'm just letting you know where the confusion you hear on the part of atheists on Christian salvation is coming from.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).