RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 11, 2012 at 6:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2012 at 6:30 pm by Norfolk And Chance.)
(May 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm)JesusLover Wrote: There are some things we cannot prove.
For example one cannot prove ones own existence - I could argue that you are a figment of my imagination, like a person in a dream. You would be unable to prove that you were a self aware, autonomous human being.
Using atheist logic I should therefore consider all other humans to not be self aware, sentient, concious beings as they cannot 'prove' they have these qualities.
Would it not be better to accept that I can never know if other people are self aware like me? That I can never know if God exists or not?
Why do atheists require proof that god exists? Because if we didn't require proof, we'd be theists.
I mean, d'uhhhhh!
(May 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm)Tobie Wrote: We require proof of existence because positive claims have to be proved. If there is no evidence for something, it is irrelevant and should be assumed false. For example, in Physics, nothing is assumed true, or fact, it is described as a "model" or a "theory".
I may not be able to prove my own existence, but my existence is ultimately irrelevant.
You can easily prove your own existence!
(May 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm)Thor Wrote: Why do we require "proof" that "God" exists?
What if I claimed that people were created by the Keebler elves who sprinkled magical powder on people shaped cookies, and that we should pay homage to the elves (who, we all know, live in a hollow tree) by gathering in a park once a week, joining hands and singing to the largest oak. And that we should let the elves know we appreciate them by eating Keebler cookies after every meal. And what if I showed you a book that proved all this is true? Would you believe it? Or would you demand to see evidence?
Don't forget that this hollow tree would have to be non physical and outside the boundaries of time and space too.
(May 7, 2012 at 1:01 pm)Paul the Human Wrote:(May 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm)JesusLover Wrote: he exists in all things at all times, inside and outside of the universe. He is incomprehensible.
Can you provide evidence to support, or even a reason to believe, that claim?
You wouldn't be able to comprehend the evidence Paul, it's incomprehensible.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
