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Proof of existence of God
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RE: Proof of existence of God



Another aspect of this argument is that it argues by analogy to the fact that we infer design based on some abstract concept of complexity. I have heard anthropologists and archeologist argue that this is not in fact how they infer design, rather they infer design by resemblance to known artifacts of human construction techniques (a simple spear point has marks similar to a slightly more refined spear point, a refrigerator has sheet steel as do cars and stoves -- similarity, not complexity). As anybody who has read Dembski's work knows, complexity of the right kind is almost impossible to rigorously define.

(Don't get me started on Dembski. One major point about Dembski. His argument rests on the analogy to human design, that complexity cannot arise but by the acts of an intelligent designer. But he missteps by slipping in the assumption that the human designer is not himself a natural process or the result of natural processes [i.e. evolution, rather than God]. Take that out, and his key analogy reduces to: whenever we find complex artifacts, a human designer [who is either a natural or non-natural creation, via evolution or God] is responsible, therefore, if we find complexity in nature, we can infer that an intelligent process was the cause [which, by analogy, may or may not be natural]; so his bedrock analogy, once the assumption is flushed out, becomes the trivial observation that, "either it's natural or it's not." Wow. Pause for effect.)


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Proof of existence of God - by jain.rahul - May 12, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Jackalope - May 12, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by jain.rahul - May 12, 2012 at 2:37 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Jackalope - May 12, 2012 at 3:02 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by padraic - May 12, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Phil - May 12, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Welsh cake - May 12, 2012 at 4:44 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Minimalist - May 12, 2012 at 11:29 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by genkaus - May 12, 2012 at 5:38 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Angrboda - May 12, 2012 at 5:57 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - May 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Angrboda - May 15, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by NoMoreFaith - May 12, 2012 at 6:26 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by MysticKnight - May 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by LiberalHearted - May 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Jackalope - May 13, 2012 at 12:21 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by LiberalHearted - May 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Welsh cake - May 13, 2012 at 2:17 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by The Heff - May 13, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Minimalist - May 14, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Gooders1002 - May 15, 2012 at 12:18 am
RE: Proof of existence of God - by Epimethean - May 15, 2012 at 12:11 am

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