(August 28, 2009 at 10:17 am)The_Truth Wrote: Well, then my apologies. I thought atheists believed Jesus Christ never existed, and that he was a mythical story invented by the Gospel writers.
Some do, not all. Atheists simply lack a belief in God, the rest is individual to that atheist.
Quote:This is not a comparison to the church that was unearthed. We are discussing how Jesus Christ existed before the Gospels existed.
Uhhh, no shit he existed before the gospels if he existed at all. What's your point?
Quote:What about the Greek gods? Can you find sufficient evidence that greek gods were worshipped long before they were written?
This little distinction of worship before it was written is entirely irrelevant. There are many old religions that existed before the written language, or existed as oral tradition. You just don't. get. it. It doesn't matter if there were worshipers before a holy book was written. It's doesn't make the religion true, which you seem to think it does.
Quote:This cave proves Jesus was worshipped in some form or another. the Gospels claim Jesus was worshipped, now 2,000 years later, we find evidence of Christ worship that predates the bible by a few decades. This discovery only makes me believe in Jesus even more.
Good for you. It proves absolutely nothing to us, which was the point of Void's question.
Quote: Wrong. The earliest Gospel was written between 50-55ad. Roughly 20 years after Christ. Why did the Gospels waited 20 years is a mystery.
No. You are wrong. The consensus is that it was written around 70CE. Unless someone can conclusively prove with empirical evidence that it was written earlier, which it hasn't been, then I'm sticking with the That consensus. It's only ever been conjectured with theories of the Q Gospel. That's not the standard of evidence we need to conclude it was written earlier.
Quote:I find it hard to believe that every single eyewitness from 33 was dead by the time the first Gospel was written. Are you suggesting a man in his early 20's from 33ad was dead by 55ad? The Gospels didn't have enough time to make up such a mythical story. If I write a book in 2009 about a man who lived in 1990 and he raised the dead, and healed the blind, I'm sure people that lived in 1990 would call my book a fraud. Surely you would demand evidence. But what evidence did the Gospels have to carry on this story?
First of all, we disagree on the date Mark was written, of which you are completely wrong about, second life expectancy was much shorter in that day, and third and most importantly, it doesn't fucking matter because we have no contemporary writings of Jesus, no eyewitness accounts. That's a plain fact. If there were eyewitnesses, they didn't write about it.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
::Blogs:: Boston Atheism Examiner - Boston Atheists Blog | :
odcast:: Boston Atheists Report
::Blogs:: Boston Atheism Examiner - Boston Atheists Blog | :
![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)