God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.

[Greatest I am]

Fair enough, I accept your admonition for wandering away from the op and will refrain from doing so again.

Still unable to view the vid due to connection, so must go on what is written.

I don't get on here that often and I had a few ideas buzzing round, that I wanted to see if any one could shoot holes in.

Ok, concentrating on the morality, recently a stranger to the land risked his life to rescue two children from drowning, he died. If he had known he would die, A, would he have done it, B, would it have been morally responsible for him to kill himself to save others.

Christ knew, where the consequences of his action would lead him. He also knew how important it was. He could have let the cup fall, but he didn't, hell of a burden when you think about it, the knowledge and certainty of God with the frailty doubts and uncertainties of a human . He could have allowed the human frailties to defeat him but he didn't. The number of connections, strands of history that interconnect at that point of time are incredible, not just the completion of the covenants of Abraham and Moses and establishment of the new covenant or that it took place within the Roman Empire the biases and template for civilisation as we know it, or that it mirrored the original Abraham covenant, or that, or that, or that I could bore you for a while yet.

So could he have walked away, yes he had plenty of warning, Paul did the same and he was warned.

If you think of God as a dictator and us as slaves to his will, you negate free will. Throughout the guide the Bible, Right from Adam he has made deals with us, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon deal after deal. Dictators don't do deals, Dictators make you, do what they want.
There is a world of difference between being lead and being driven.

Same today, your choice, I can tell you don't eat that mushroom it's poisonous. It's your choice if you take any notice of me or eat it any way.


My answers to your questions, First, consider the world as a chess board, if you want to play chess you must obey the rules of chess. You set up the game, a pawn takes your knight, that is a tragedy for you but is it a tragedy to the knight, who will be back on the board the next game.

Second, Under normal conditions no but these where far from normal. Who set up the conditions God, who was punished, God.

I like when you say Christ knew this and that.

How? Mind reading or the words in a book of myth?

I like the idea of God punishing himself. Scriptures do show him screwing up quite a bit. He deserved punishment but if so, why make men guilty of his death?

He could have just committed suicide on his own. Right?

By the way, where is it written that God can die?

Regards
DL