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Atheism is the punk rock of religion
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RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
Given this:
(July 29, 2012 at 2:30 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: "re·li·gion
noun /riˈlijən/ 
religions, plural

A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance
- consumerism is the new religion

Something that someone ascribes supreme importance to, ie consumerism, = religion

You agreed that atheism can be something that someone could ascribe supreme importance to. (see post #72)

You have therefore said that atheism is a religion.



(July 29, 2012 at 3:34 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: All you've just told me is some religions have atheistic views toward other religions and certain matters.

Let me remind you what you said again
From post #61 above:
(July 28, 2012 at 9:11 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Someone who has no Gods and no belief system is someone we cannot class as being part of any religion. So we call them Atheists, period. A religious person can display atheist views toward another religion but not of their own so they would not be called an Atheist.

and what Wikipedia says about Atheism:
Wikipedia Wrote:Atheism is accepted within some religious and spiritual belief systems, including Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Neopagan movements[17] such as Wicca,[18] and nontheistic religions. Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods

Therefore, Wikipedia, and I state that: "Some religions" do not "have atheistic views toward other religions". Some religious people are atheist.


(July 29, 2012 at 3:34 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: To be honest I'm just adding this so people don't forget at this point: "Atheism = lack of belief in God." Fr0d0, 2012.

You didn't say that here:
(July 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: We [atheists] don't have a unique position on each individual deity. We just have a position on things that haven't been proven to exist, in that unless it is proven to exist we don't have any reason to act like it does.
(repeated on post #53)

And then you went further to define atheism thus:
(July 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Atheists don't believe in anything supernatural without proof.

To follow what you claim is the case you'd have to call every single refusal to acknowledge a deity a religious position.

Is it a religious position to not believe in theism as a whole or simply no position for lack of proof?

Based on this I would say Atheism is not a religious position, it is simply a position demanding of concrete evidence regardless of the claim.

Rhythm kindly corrected you:
(July 27, 2012 at 8:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Atheists can and do believe in all manner of supernatural things while simultaneously remaining atheists. They probably didn't get your memo.

To which you responded with this nonsense:
(July 28, 2012 at 1:09 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: If you seriously want to use this kind of reasoning then fine. I'm game.
By that same definition Christians are atheists because they don't believe in Allah and Muslims are atheists because they don't believe in Yahweh. The same reasoning can be applied to every single religion in the world.
Well I guess we'd better call everyone an atheist now.
Anyone else get the feeling this is going to get confusing?

None of your definitions of atheism above, you will notice, are actually compatible with the atheism you now define.

Which is why I obliged you with the "true" definition™ (along with an expansion to include all atheist definitions of themselves, but you cherry picked that out).
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Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 1:55 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 3:37 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Cato - July 24, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Cato - July 24, 2012 at 2:10 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by padraic - July 24, 2012 at 4:54 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Tempus - July 24, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Erinome - July 24, 2012 at 6:53 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Darwinian - July 24, 2012 at 9:09 am
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 25, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 24, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Epimethean - July 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 25, 2012 at 1:37 am
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 25, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by padraic - July 25, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2012 at 2:16 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 26, 2012 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 26, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Re: RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2012 at 11:49 am
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 12:45 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 3:20 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 7:22 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 27, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Whateverist - July 28, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 7:51 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 27, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 28, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 28, 2012 at 4:54 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 28, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 1:55 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 2:23 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 2:36 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 2:52 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 3:23 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 5:13 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Brian37 - July 29, 2012 at 6:31 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Brian37 - July 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 30, 2012 at 1:31 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 30, 2012 at 9:59 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 2:12 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Brian37 - July 31, 2012 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Whateverist - July 31, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - August 1, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Cinjin - August 1, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 31, 2012 at 8:38 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - August 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 2, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 2, 2012 at 3:32 pm

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