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Atheism is the punk rock of religion
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RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
(July 29, 2012 at 8:51 pm)CliveStaples Wrote:
Quote:Without meaning to come across as insulting;
If I conclude Aliens have psychic powers thats a position on Aliens. If I conclude Aliens don't have psychic powers then thats still a position on Aliens. If I conclude Aliens don't exist then the most you could squeeze out of it is thats a position on reality in that I don't think Aliens are actually part of it.
I conclude through lack of any evidence God exists that he does not exist. This is a position on evidence, it is a position on reality, on fiction. It may even be a position on life. How can it be a position on religion? I don't acknowledge it as a reasoned or backed thing to have a position on. I can no more have a position on that than on the belief of someone elses imaginary friend who I have concluded I have no reason to believe exists. The point of whether his cardigan is red or yellow would be moot, I don't think theres a cardigan there or even a persons body for it to rest upon.

My position cannot be religious, I fundamentally reject the premises on which religions operate.

All of this is tautological, given what you're assuming is the definition of a 'religious position'.

If someone asks, "What is your position on God's existence," would you consider "I'm an atheist" to be unresponsive? If it is responsive, then "I'm an atheist" is a "position on God's existence". Now, it seems reasonable to me that someone might consider "I'm an atheist" to be responsive. It also seems reasonable to me that someone would consider it unresponsive, since "I'm an atheist" is essentially equivalent to "I don't have one".

It's all just arbitrary based on what you're accepting as a "position". Like, imagine I ask the number of apples you're holding. You might say, "I'm not holding any number of apples"; or, you might say, "I'm holding zero apples." Which response is appropriate depends on what you accept as "holding k apples".

If I don't even accept the existence of God then that is a position on reality just as if I did not accept the existence of the easter bunny. If accepted the existence of God that would still be a position on reality.

However, if you make a claim on what God wants, how we should live our lives by that belief and how we should define our morality by the Bible. *That* is a religious position, it is also a position on life and morality.
Putting aside I would find this position on life and morality ridiculous for obvious reasons I would not be able to make a claim on what God wants. I don't accept God exists, I am unable to take a religious position. If you make a claim on what God wants I can only reiterate my position on reality in that God is not part of it.

(July 29, 2012 at 11:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I didn't realize that there was a Priority of Personal Classifications Symposium that had decided thusly on the matter. Spiritualists can be atheists. Psychics can be atheists, etc. I'm not trying to nitpick, just saving you from potential dissappointment should you ever meet an atheist who -despite being an atheist- just cannot fathom your reasons for doubting the power of the Tarot.

Everybody likes slogans. So here's one, for determining whether or not one gets to dine in the private atheist clubhouse - No god? No problem.

Yes yes yes. And Christians can be atheists, Muslims can be atheists, Jews can be atheists but they are not called atheists because of the beliefs they *do* hold as opposed to the ones they *don't*.
I would call someone who believes in tarot cards, psychics and ghosts a spiritualist like I would Sir Conan Doyle.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 1:55 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 3:37 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Cato - July 24, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Cato - July 24, 2012 at 2:10 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by padraic - July 24, 2012 at 4:54 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Tempus - July 24, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Erinome - July 24, 2012 at 6:53 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Darwinian - July 24, 2012 at 9:09 am
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Ace Otana - July 24, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 24, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 25, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 24, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Epimethean - July 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 25, 2012 at 1:37 am
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 25, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by padraic - July 25, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2012 at 2:16 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 26, 2012 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 26, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Re: RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2012 at 11:49 am
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 12:45 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 3:20 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 7:22 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Napoléon - July 27, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Whateverist - July 28, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 27, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 7:51 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 27, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 28, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 28, 2012 at 4:54 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 28, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 1:55 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 2:23 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 2:36 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 2:52 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 3:23 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 5:13 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Brian37 - July 29, 2012 at 6:31 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Brian37 - July 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 29, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 30, 2012 at 1:31 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 30, 2012 at 9:59 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 2:12 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Brian37 - July 31, 2012 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Whateverist - July 31, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - July 31, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - August 1, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Cinjin - August 1, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - July 31, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - July 31, 2012 at 8:38 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by jonb - August 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by fr0d0 - August 2, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion - by Reforged - August 2, 2012 at 3:32 pm

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