Atheism is the punk rock of religion

[Reforged]

What, and starve our pet Troll? He'll wander of to some other forum and troll them there. I like having Frods around. Raph is doing us all a service..lol.

It is a pleasure mi'lord. *bows gracefully*

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* fr0d0 slaps Faith No More

A fundamentalist who resorts to violence?
Well thats just crazy.

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"Atheism = lack of belief in a god" is a statement of yours, not of mine. I merely quoted you.

You wen't further than that. You agreed with it, and I've quoted you agreeing with it.

Agreed that Atheism is a lack of belief in a god, not that was the only definition. I try to stay away from sweeping statements like that. I used your sweeping and rather careless statement against you knowing that you'd never openly say you thought it was wrong and you made a mistake. You're too arrogant for that.

"1. Atheism is a religion (correct by his own research)"
You admitted consumerism is not actually a religion, it simply shares characteristics in that it has quite a following. How you can say Atheism is actually a religion through the same definition is beyond me as it shows incredible bias against Atheism in particular.

I said as much (that consumerism doesn't come under the main definition of religion) above. No need to keep saying it.
How I can say that atheism is actually a religion is THAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID IT!!! I'm quoting your post where you quote the dictionary. You agreed with me that consumerism was to religion was what atheism is to religion. I therefore established with you that both consumerism AND atheism WOULD be defined as religion using your own quote.
I wasn't of this position until you enlightened me. I state nothing about it. You did. And I quote you doing it.

Yes but consumerism isn't actually a religion, you can compare it to one but it isn't. I only admit you could compare atheism to religion but it isn't one. Thats all. Stop trying to take my words out of context or at least do it more subtly so the readers aren't concussed by your total lack of honesty.

"2. Atheistic religions don't exist (despite proof of such presented)"
They don't. People within a religion can possess certain atheistic views but that does not make the religion itself atheistic. Also all of the religions you listed hold claims of the supernatural and have figures which posses powers on par with any deity and are worshipped as one, this means they could not be seen as being atheistic.

"On a par with a deity" =/= a deity. If it isn't a deity. If it isn't a god/s to believe in, then it isn't theism.

If a person can be a fully accepted member of a religion and also an atheist, then we have a religious atheist. It matters not if others of his faith are theists. The point that you contested is that there could not be religious atheists. And clearly there can.

Sorry, are you saying Buddhism, Paganism and all the other examples you use aren't theism? Think *very* carefully before you answer this one fr0d0.

"3. Atheism is the lack of belief in god/ gods, "thats simply what it is, a lack of belief and nothing else" (widelyt agreed) except that..."
3., 4. and 5 should really be put in the same point.

You don't get out of it that easily, sorry. I have quoted you saing that lack of belief in god/s is the only qualification of an atheist. I have shown by quoting you directly that you have said that other things define atheists. Some of which are actually factually wrong.

Actually, I'll think you'll find that was the content of your quote I was describing. I don't think I ever claimed it was the only attribute of an atheist, you did.
This is the whole quote for anyone whos interested;

"And now the grandest victory of all! I knew you couldn't resist but respond to this fr0d0 and I have been waiting for this inevitable response with great anticipation. I will now quote you directly:
"Atheism = lack of belief in God."
In your own words thats simply what it is, a lack of belief and nothing else.
Ergo; *NOT* a religious position.
Thank you and goodnight... at least until you decide you can see my post despite having blocked me, again. :-)"

Rather different from what fr0d0 suggested isn't it?

"4. Atheism is the lack of belief in anything proven"
er... no... no it isn't. I'm not sure where you got that from.

I quoted you. Follow the link.

Or you could stop being so fucking lazy and post the whole quote for all to see so it can be discussed openly.

"5. Atheists don't believe anything supernatural without proof (clearly disproven)"
Someone who believes in ghosts or psychics or any mystic mumbo jumbo like that we would call a spiritualist. Yes they have atheistic views but they are defined by what they *do* believe rather than what they do not.

No, they are atheists if that's what they claim. Remember what you've agreed: "atheism is merely a lack of belief in god/s. Nothing more".

Again, thats your statement I quoted. Not mine. I'm fairly certain I never attributed that as the sole definition. I merely used your own quote, which conflicted with the basis of your entire argument, against you.

I said you had lied about giving examples of contradictions I had not already proven were not contradictions.
All of the points raised I had already countered but as all can see I countered them once again

You have countered nothing. All of the points raised against you stand unscathed.

Just because thats what you say doesn't make it so. I'm sure the intelligent readers will come to their own conclusions based on the evidence presented as is their right.

P.S. "black holes, aliens, dark matter" all of these are theories except for black holes as we can see the physical effects exerted on anything that crosses one.

Aliens are theories? We see the effect but is it a black hole that we see or some other phenomenon. That isn't proven.

Then it is still a theory but a partially backed one. The existence of aliens is very much a theory, obviously.