Atheism is the punk rock of religion

[fr0d0]

You wen't further than that. You agreed with it, and I've quoted you agreeing with it.

Agreed that Atheism is a lack of belief in a god, not that was the only definition. I try to stay away from sweeping statements like that. I used your sweeping and rather careless statement against you knowing that you'd never openly say you thought it was wrong and you made a mistake. You're too arrogant for that.

Ah but you didn't, and thus falls your pack of cards.
If you look at the post of mine you quoted from, you'll see that I qualified my statement as the popular position here, and that atheists exist who argue for a wider definition.
I'm very happy to explain the populist position to you. But for you to misquote me and then try and put the concocted statement in my mouth is a bit rich.
Thank you for the retraction. Atheism, according to Raphael, isn't only about the lack of belief in God. All those other things are too. I shall remember to bring that up whenever it gets trotted out. That's usually about one a day at least, so this should be fun.

I said as much (that consumerism doesn't come under the main definition of religion) above. No need to keep saying it.
How I can say that atheism is actually a religion is THAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID IT!!! I'm quoting your post where you quote the dictionary. You agreed with me that consumerism was to religion was what atheism is to religion. I therefore established with you that both consumerism AND atheism WOULD be defined as religion using your own quote.
I wasn't of this position until you enlightened me. I state nothing about it. You did. And I quote you doing it.

Yes but consumerism isn't actually a religion, you can compare it to one but it isn't. I only admit you could compare atheism to religion but it isn't one. Thats all. Stop trying to take my words out of context or at least do it more subtly so the readers aren't concussed by your total lack of honesty.

OM F'in G.
Please try to comprehend rather than replying without addressing the subject.
You said, in your quote from the dictionary, that atheism COULD BE described as a religion. You said that.
No, atheism isn't a religion that has deity or any of the other trappings of conventional religions. Atheism is a religion because according to the YOUR OWN WORDS: atheism can be "A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. IE consumerism is the new religion"
Now please either deny or confirm that this is what you said. Stop squirming around trying to dodge the subject. Misquoting and making accusations of dishonesty. Deny the plain text quote of your own words.

"On a par with a deity" =/= a deity. If it isn't a deity. If it isn't a god/s to believe in, then it isn't theism.

If a person can be a fully accepted member of a religion and also an atheist, then we have a religious atheist. It matters not if others of his faith are theists. The point that you contested is that there could not be religious atheists. And clearly there can.

Sorry, are you saying Buddhism, Paganism and all the other examples you use aren't theism? Think *very* carefully before you answer this one fr0d0.

Yes.

If you want to address my point accurately, you won't go and find examples of all of those that actually include deities. But address examples of those that don't. If there are examples of all of those, those religions that have fully paid up atheists as legisitmate and full members, them you have lost your point. Atheists can be religious, because those religions don't have to have deities. Bhuddhism: Bhudda said he wasn't a deity. Paganism: is animistic. Pagans can talk to trees as spiritual entities. No deities involved.

You don't get out of it that easily, sorry. I have quoted you saing that lack of belief in god/s is the only qualification of an atheist. I have shown by quoting you directly that you have said that other things define atheists. Some of which are actually factually wrong.

Actually, I'll think you'll find that was the content of your quote I was describing. I don't think I ever claimed it was the only attribute of an atheist, you did.
This is the whole quote for anyone whos interested;

"And now the grandest victory of all! I knew you couldn't resist but respond to this fr0d0 and I have been waiting for this inevitable response with great anticipation. I will now quote you directly:
"Atheism = lack of belief in God."
In your own words thats simply what it is, a lack of belief and nothing else.
Ergo; *NOT* a religious position.

You cherry picked my quote. Go look at my original statement and see if you can see the difference. Where I expanded, knowing that you would bring this up as a smokescreen. I have no problem reitterating what all of the other atheists on here preach to any newcomer. Like I said to you, you're not on plan. But I'll leave that for your fellow atheists to correct you on.
I'm not saying it's not a religious position. You did. Look at my bolded statements. Do you see me coming up with that, or you? I have agreed with your irrefutable proof from a dictionary that according to you and it, atheism is religion.

I quoted you. Follow the link.

Or you could stop being so fucking lazy and post the whole quote for all to see so it can be discussed openly.

Says he who can't be assed to quote without ripping most of the relevant content out. And when asked to fix it whines that it's me who has to go do the work. Unlike your quotes, my quote there had a link back to where you actually said it. The work is done for you. Now you're too lazy to click?

No, they are atheists if that's what they claim. Remember what you've agreed: "atheism is merely a lack of belief in god/s. Nothing more".

Again, thats your statement I quoted. Not mine. I'm fairly certain I never attributed that as the sole definition. I merely used your own quote, which conflicted with the basis of your entire argument, against you.

So now you've changed position and don't state that atheism is only a lack of belief in god/s. Nice. I'll be sure to quote you on this when all the atheists try to use this in arguments from now on. I hope you have some points ready to defend this.

If my quote is someone else's opinion. How can that be an argument against me? Yet another impossible conundrum you erected there.

You have countered nothing. All of the points raised against you stand unscathed.

Just because thats what you say doesn't make it so. I'm sure the intelligent readers will come to their own conclusions based on the evidence presented as is their right.

I presented quotes of you saying it. You say your words don't account to proof. Your standards for proof seem very fragile.

Aliens are theories? We see the effect but is it a black hole that we see or some other phenomenon. That isn't proven.

Then it is still a theory but a partially backed one. The existence of aliens is very much a theory, obviously.

Another retraction. Great.

So is God a theory too? Please show me the peer reviewed scientific papers backing up your assertion that aliens are a theory.