Prayer?

[Drich]

Are these "systems" (Most Christian in orgin I might add) enough? do they feed everyone in need? Do they have all the funding they need? Are they with out need for volunteers, medical supplies, trained construction workers to doctors? Or is there more to be done? Enough to include someone like you Ralphie, and your skill set? Or is complaining that a God you do not believe in, is not doing what you think He is supposed to do. Is that enough to fill the stomache of that kid and the thousands like him?

If you do not believe in God then how can you judge a "Non existant being" For doing the exact same thing you yourself is doing? Isn't that hypocritical?

Most Christian? *Really?* Are they Drich? Is Oxfam?
Or how about;
Humane society: http://www.hsus.org/

Natural Resources Defence Fund: http://www.nrdc.org/

Disabled American Veterens: http://www.dav.org/cst/index.html

UNICEF: http://www.supportunicef.org/site/pp.asp…

ACCION: http://www.accion.org/about_our_mission.…

America's Second Harvest Network".
http://www.secondharvest.org/who_we_help…


Are they Christian? You show off your ignorance far too readily for my liking Drich.

The fact of the matter is what little good is done for the poor, the weak and the needy is by humans. Not by your "God". It matters very little what religion a charity proclaims itself to be, God has not directly intervened. It has been through the hardship of those who care enough to allow their fellow man a chance at life.
Such compassion seems devoid from the almighty who could save the countless children which humanity doesn't reach in time... but deems it unworthy of his attention.
Either he is malevolent or he does not exist and I don't think you can begin to prove otherwise.
And just so you know I do infact do my part so yeah... backfire much?

"Most Christian in orgin I might add."

You seem to be having trouble with one of the words I used in my last post.
(see defination 2)
most
adj \ˈmōst\
Definition of MOST
1: greatest in quantity, extent, or degree <the most ability>
2: the majority of <most people>
See most defined for English-language learners »
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Examples of MOST
Choosing a color took the most time.
That family owned the most land.
Unfortunately the negative aspects of our schools get the most attention.

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...but it's fire, though. It is a place of suffering, typically described as a "lake of fire". If I'm off, just summarize "Hell".

Yes there is a Lake of Fire and Satan and his angels will burn their forever, but 'Hell' is not Only described as a lake of Fire. Hell is seperation from God on an eternal scale. the Pit, The void, The Darkkness where their is weeping and gnashing of teeth, The Grave all describe Hell. The only common thread is that it is eternal seperation from God and creation.

"So everything we do is a part of his plan...?"

The fact that we are free from His Expressed Will is apart of His plan.

Justice is a concept, but what you present is the antitheses of justice.

you usage of the Word 'justice' describes a 'fairness' that is based in popular morality. (it's what you think fair to be) This is not justice. true Justice is absolute, and not subject to interpertation.

A just God would be incapable of creating a place of infinite suffering for finite crimes.

Wait till you get to Hell there's a place with limitless suffering. there are limits in this life our soceities ensure that.

The crime of unbelief being one, a just God would be required to present evidence of himself as to avoid the possibility that there was a person that never sinned but didn't believe he existed.

Un belief is not a crime it is a choice. People Choose to be with God or seperated from Him.

Redemption is only an option if you believe there is something to redeem. Because God hasn't evidenced himself to millions in a satisfactory way, he has failed to show that we need redemption.

Hence: Redemption to all those who Seek it.
As you have pointed out not all will seek redemption.

On that note, you are screwed in the head if you believe we need to be redeemed for something that your God planned from the start.

How so? For the 'plan' was to provide choice.

What?? You yourself said that everything goes according to God's plan. There cannot be free will in that scenario. (Freedom to choose yor own actions).

Did you choose to remain outside of the redemption offered or not?
You had no choice on whether or not you will sin, but you do get to choose whether or not you will live in your sins.

You chose to accept redemption... according to the plan God laid out for you. So no, I don't see the choice. You committing the logical fallacy "special pleading" over and over when you exempt one attribute or another from God or his plan to allow it to get away with internal flaws. For example, you say that everything goes by God's plan. However, you also say that there is choice and that you can choose. So, which is it?

Both, God's Plan is that you have a Choice.
Oh and you might want to read up on the fallacy you have misidentified.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

So you didn't believe/except him until after you asked him to help you accept him? Really? That assumes that you believed at the same time you didn't.

No. I simply put it out there that if their was a God, that I have my eyes and ears opened. (I didn't just appeal to the God of the bible. i put it out there and God responded as His promises indicate He would.)

It's all in the plan. Except this... and that... and this...

Can you give examples of "this and that"

Way to assume that I am not doing anything for those that starve-

I have worked in this field for a very long time and know how people in and out of the faith serve in it as well, and how they generally carry their works. your off the cuff introduction to this subject did not follow either of the typical examples. you simply fell into this conversation and have been 'reacting' since we started. (you have no experiences in anything you have discussed)

and while I'm on the topic, why don't you sell your stuff and give the money to the needy,

I have given everything on many occasions, and it has been given back to me 10x over. I have given when I had nothing to give. If I see a need that I can fill, I fill it.

then spend less time on an atheist site and more time helping those in need.

I see a need here for the Spiritually starving. One that far exceeds the needs of the physical starvation that boy endured. For there are many willing to give time and money to help people like that. (for that is a job anyone can do) But, here Their are very few who are willing and able to spend time in places like this and put fourth the effort to feed the Spiritually Hungery.

In a world without a God, those people starve because there are not enough people willing to help them or that can help them. In a world with a God where it is God's plan for them to starve, the blame lies on your God.

It is God's plan to give you oppertunity to fill the needs you see.

So now you are going to redefine love?
I can't tell you what love is. Love is subjective. I can tell you what love isn't- love isn't allowing the deaths of billions. Love isn't allowing suffering and starvation. Love isn't allowing natural sufferings to occur. Nor is this justice, as these people didn't deserve the life that was dealt to them.

I did do this very thing in my "God does not love you..." thread.

Actually, no he didn't. Remember the whole plan thing? I have no choice.

See this is what makes me question your basic comperhension skills. For i must have said the "Plan thing" was to give you choice 1/2 a dozen times or more from the beginning..

And I can just as easily tell you you made that wrong one.
Really, getting on here to redefine prayer to what you suppose scripture says it is is stupid. You believe scripture says this- I get it. Many, many others believe scripture says prayer can cause changes in the world. Others still believe it appeases God, allowing him to cause miracles.

then simply ask them to provide book Chapter and verse for their assertion.

And guess what? They can all support it with the same Bible.

Again Book Chapter and Verse.