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Prayer?
RE: Prayer?
(August 13, 2012 at 1:42 am)Undeceived Wrote: Then why innovate? Doesn’t all innovation have survival at its core? If medicine is no longer an innovation, but a necessity, wouldn’t we live forever under God’s placating hand? We'd never die. Well that's what the Garden of Eden used to be like. We messed up by sinning, and now death is our punishment. Or should people still die in this utopia of yours? Say, after a couple hundred years. What if someone wants to die earlier or later? At what point should God take these people? No matter how He does it, He will cause grief—either in the individual or in his/her family.
But let's get back to the topic. I claimed people would not innovate if all necessities were provided. If not health, what do people innovate for? Discovery? Pleasure? Both are self-serving. Unless that's your point--you want a world of all pleasure but no earning or gratitude for that pleasure. A world in which God serves you but you do not serve Him. Am I correct?

I'm sorry, did you just respond to RD with a fanciful story about utopian gardens and eternal life under the watchful eye of ghosts? If you want to have an adult conversation someday you might have to stop telling fairy tales-as-fact. We innovate because we were dealt a shitty hand. There's no other table to play at, granted, but I fail to see how your fantasies are going to better our situation. Death is not a punishment, it is not a curse placed upon us by spirits. It is a function of biology. Let me ask you this, lets imagine some far flung scenario whereby we have reached the limits of innovation. There is no need to look any further into anything because all necessities have been met (and almost miraculously human beings are no longer curious and we have abandoned our habitual tinkering for tinkering's sake). So? No, seriously..... so fucking what? Here you are insinuating that this is somehow a bad thing -and yet you would like to casually insert your imaginary friend as the sole provider of such a service nevertheless.

The avoidance of reality and abject indifference towards one's fellow man, combined with the sheer amount of hypocrisy by proxy that a response like this is likely to find at it's core is breathtaking.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by Jackalope - August 3, 2012 at 12:32 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 3, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Prayer? - by FallentoReason - August 3, 2012 at 1:05 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2012 at 2:01 am
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 3, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cinjin - August 5, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 3, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Prayer? - by FallentoReason - August 3, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 4, 2012 at 11:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 4, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Godschild - August 5, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Prayer? - by Shell B - August 3, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Prayer? - by Zen Badger - August 3, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Prayer? - by KichigaiNeko - August 3, 2012 at 7:21 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 3, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Godschild - August 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 3, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Godschild - August 4, 2012 at 1:57 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 4, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 1:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Annik - August 3, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
RE: Prayer? - by pgrimes15 - August 5, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Prayer? - by downbeatplumb - August 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Prayer? - by pgrimes15 - August 5, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2012 at 1:59 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cato - August 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 4, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 4, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 4, 2012 at 11:38 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 4, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by KichigaiNeko - August 5, 2012 at 7:45 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 5, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Erinome - August 5, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Deicide73 - August 5, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 5, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 5, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 6, 2012 at 2:14 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 6, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 7, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 5, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 12:18 am
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 6, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 6, 2012 at 1:18 am
RE: Prayer? - by KichigaiNeko - August 6, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 6, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Erinome - August 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cinjin - August 6, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cinjin - August 6, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 7, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 8, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 7, 2012 at 12:30 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 8, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cato - August 8, 2012 at 2:09 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 8, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 9, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2012 at 1:52 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 8, 2012 at 3:54 am
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 8, 2012 at 2:19 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 8, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 12, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 10, 2012 at 12:54 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cato - August 10, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 10, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 10, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 10, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 10, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 10, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 11, 2012 at 12:24 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 11, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 11, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 11, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 11, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by ElDinero - August 11, 2012 at 4:56 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 11, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 11, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 12, 2012 at 12:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Tobie - August 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 13, 2012 at 9:31 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 13, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 14, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 15, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 16, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by ElDinero - August 12, 2012 at 6:03 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 13, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 14, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Zen Badger - August 12, 2012 at 7:16 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 12, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Tobie - August 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Gambit - August 12, 2012 at 12:13 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2012 at 9:26 am
RE: Prayer? - by WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth - August 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 12:10 am
RE: Prayer? - by Tobie - August 14, 2012 at 3:26 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 8:25 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 8:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by padraic - August 16, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Jackalope - August 16, 2012 at 11:50 am
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 16, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 20, 2012 at 7:31 am
RE: Prayer? - by FallentoReason - August 21, 2012 at 2:31 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 23, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 21, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 20, 2012 at 6:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 20, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 20, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 21, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 20, 2012 at 11:21 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 21, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 23, 2012 at 10:01 am

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