Someone debate me

[genkaus]

Premise two is a premise in an argument against God and itself needs justification as it is a positive argument against God.

How can it be a "positive argument against god" if it doesn't mention god at all? Premise two simply states "there is unnecessary suffering in the world". At this point, the question of god's existence is never brought up.

It is not me who needs to justify my disagreement with it, but it that needs to justify itself to us.

It already has, by numerous examples of unnecessary suffering taking place throughout the world. For example, can you tell me why is it necessary for women to go through the pain of labor?

Given that that position is already justified, you as a dissenter must provide justification for why it isn't true.

You say that in most cases any goal could have been achieved without that much suffering taking place, yet how could you possibly know this?

Plain old logical reasoning. Figure out the goal, figure out all the different ways it can be achieved, determine which way would constitute least suffering and then decide if the way it did take place was the same.

As I said, the goal could be hundreds of years down the road, and any alternate scenario you would propose must then be aware of the connection between any particular event and the event down the road which justifies its permissibility.

And given that it is hundred of years down the road, it is easy to imagine another event causing much less suffering accomplishing the same thing.

However, I don't see how you could even know which event and which event down the road would be the necessary ones to be able to refute that these things were necessary.

And since you can't know that there is in fact such an event down the line, you cannot claim that suffering was necessary or that there is such an intended event down the line. Given the absence of evidence of any such event which can be reasonably considered a goal, the justified position is not to believe that there is such an event. This would make the position that the current suffering is unnecessary the justified one.