(November 2, 2008 at 11:52 pm)Tiberius Wrote: It is a well established fact that the morals from the Bible simply come from the combination of morals already active at the time of it's writing. Every single moral value is based around self preservation. For example:
If someone murders you, you end up dead. Being dead is bad, therefore murder is immoral.
If someone steals something from you, you no longer have it and they have it for free when you paid for it. No longer having something is bad considering you have paid for it, therefore stealing is immoral.
Even something like charity is based on self-preservation. People rarely give to charity and keep quiet about it. People give to charity because they know that it looks good when they do, and looking good is beneficial in society.
Adrian, glad you bring up charity at this juncture. I am a socialist and see charity as a capitalist phenomenon. In a socialist state it would not be necessary. In this capitalist society I would argue that the giver to charity gets proportionally more " benefit " than the receiver. Charity is like putting an elastoplast on a gaping wound...it's no cure. On the other hand, the giver, like you say, feels a sense of " making a difference " and feeling good about him/herself.

A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?