Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

[Darkstar]

Am I reading this last bit correctly, are you proposing that god does the whole hell bit so that those whom he chooses to gift with his "justice" and "holiness" and "mercy" feel really good about it?

Romans 9:22–23 (ESV) — 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

"then he is malevolent"

The golden rule has nothing to do with religion. It is binding because if you wrong someone else, you can be wronged back, and it is preferable to have peace than to ruin yourself and your enemy/victim.

I'm saying that morality itself (if God does not exist) is an illusion. There is no way that you would be obligated to behave a certain way.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/20...teria.html

Why did god give bacteria morals, exactly?

It seems to me that you can't have it both ways. You can't say there is no God but there are objective morals.

Maybe on a species by species basis. It's evolutionarily advantageous for them, but not for us.

If this is subjective, there is no objective morality. God issues commands at different times that contradict each other morally, so they were 'right at the time' and therefore subjective, even if god said them.

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here. Are you saying that some of God's commands seem to contradict His other commands....therefore God can't exist?

This seems to me to be the same problem before. You (presumably an atheist) are judging God by your own subjective moral standard.

I'm not saying he can't exist because some commands morally contradict others, I'm just saying that he either lied to us or morality is subjective to his whim. Jesus explicitly contradicts god.

Tell you what I'm going to do this Christmas. I'm going to buy my son a new bicycle. On christmas morning I'm going to wake him up, lead him into the living room, and show him his brand new Radio Flyer trike....and just to make this "more wonderful for him"...I'm going to mercilessly beat both of his sisters, hospitalize them, and permanently injure both of them. Imagine how much of my fatherly glory I'll be able to display in such a manner.

Here is a more accurate analogy. In your analogy the children are innocent. We are not innocent.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-15223-po...#pid348583
Who is more innocent than a baby? You said this yourself!