RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2012 at 5:26 pm by Reasonable_Jeff.)
(October 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why should I give two shits what the bible says? Establish it's credibility or stop sourcing it.
Read what I'm going to write below and tell me who this is talking about.
• “Those who hate me without cause are more numerous than the hairs of my head” (Ps 69:4).
• “The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers conspire together against the Lord and His Anointed One” (Ps 2:2).
• “Even my friend in whom I trusted, one who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me” (Ps 41:9).
• “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered” (Zch 13:7).
• “Then I said to them, ‘If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.’ So they weighed my wages, 30 pieces of silver. ‘Throw it to the potter,’ the Lord said to me—this magnificent price I was valued by them. So I took the 30 pieces of silver and threw it into the house of the Lord, to the potter” (Zch 11:12–13).
• “They are striking the judge of Israel on the cheek with a rod” (Mc 5:1).
• “I gave My back to those who beat Me, and My cheeks to those who tore out My beard. I did not hide My face from scorn and spitting” (Is 50:6).
• “They pierced my hands and my feet” (Ps 22:16).
• “My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?” (Ps 22:1).
• “Everyone who sees me mocks me; they sneer and shake their heads: ‘He relies on the Lord; let Him rescue him; let the Lord deliver him, since He takes pleasure in him’ ” (Ps 22:7–8).
• “They gave me gall for my food, and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (Ps 69:21).
• “I am poured out like water, and all my bones are disjointed; my heart is like wax, melting within me” (Ps 22:14).
• “Yet He Himself bore our sicknesses, and He carried our pains; but we in turn regarded Him stricken, struck down by God, and afflicted” (Is 53:4).
• “He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. Like a lamb led to the slaughter and like a sheep silent before her shearers, He did not open His mouth” (Is 53:7).
• “They divided my garments among themselves, and they cast lots for my clothing” (Ps 22:18).
• “He submitted Himself to death” (Is 53:12).
• “He bore the sin of many and interceded for the rebels” (Is 53:12).
• “You may not break any of its bones” (Ex 12:46).
• “He protects all his bones; not one of them is broken” (Ps 34:20).
• “They will look at Me whom they pierced” (Zch 12:10).
• “They made His grave with the wicked, and with a rich man at His death, although He had done no violence and had not spoken deceitfully” (Is 53:9).
• “For You will not abandon me to Sheol; You will not allow Your Faithful One to see the Pit” (Ps 16:10).
• “You ascended to the heights, taking away captives; You received gifts from people, even from the rebellious, so that the Lord God might live there” (Ps 68:18).
• “The Lord declared to my Lord: ‘Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool’ ” (Ps 110:1).
Who do you think this is referring to?
All of these scriptures are taken from the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. This was all completed some 400 years before Jesus was born. This is a widely accepted fact, in fact these were all translated from Hebrew into Greek in Alexandria roughly 150 years before Jesus' birth.
These writings, these predictions are SO specific that they leave no room for error.
No other religious literature has prophecies so distinct, so specific that have been fulfilled in the way that Christ has fulfilled the Hebrew Bible.
Christianity is not just another religion, Jesus is not just another prophet, the Bible is not just another book.
(October 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Sure, babies aren't perfect; no one is.Except one...
God is perfect and to be in his immediate presence in heaven you too would need to be blameless. Although like you said, no one is perfect. That is why God sent His Son to make atonement for the sins of those who would come to faith in Him.
Galatians 2:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
(October 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'll modify my question yet another time, and if you don't want to answer it that's, fine, but be upfront about it.
All parties involved are the scum of the earth. Can I now beat my daughters to within an inch of their life to make my gift of not beating my son to within an inch of his life (and giving him a new trike) more wonderful? Is this a display of my glory and mercy and just'ness? I hardly think so. It sounds like a display of petty cruelty. Just say no, because I;m confident that you don't feel that this would be a wise course of action to take. Just say no so I can add "Do as I say and not as I do" to "Shut your face and know your place"...and "justice and mercy -for some- destruction for the rest". Save us both the trouble.
My intent is to answer you question. If you feel I am not please let me know.
In your modified analogy you too are scum of the earth and just as guilty as they are. You would not have a "right" to beat them.
That is the direct answer to your question, here is my "fiddling" with it to make it more accurate to the biblical teachings.
Imagine that you had a son who was perfect, a paragon. Then you and him decide to make a home for orphans and provide food and clothes for them. The orphans, instead of showing gratitude, begin to tear apart everything that you give them. They begin to show love, appreciation and gratitude to strangers, but never to you. They will come home bruised, tired, hungry and cold and you clothe them and feed them again and again only to be further and further maligned.
Your paragon of a son steps in and tries to show them how much you (his father) cares for them and instead of listening to him they kill him thinking that now they will have the run of the place.
As the father who is innocent you would be completely justified to have the orphans arrested and prosecuted for murder. You have a reputation for being a just man so you follow through with the law.....but you decide to show even further mercy to some and you keep them from being prosecuted for murder.
Justice was executed, mercy was shown.....so it is with God.
