(November 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Truth Matters Wrote:(November 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm)jonb Wrote: Where is the absolute physical beginning? That is not the big bang
Yes, it most certainly is the Big Bang model. Borde, Guth and Vilinken's Theorem (BGV - 2003) has nailed the coffin shut on the matter with Mathematical proof.
The singularity is not some object that exploded in space. There was no space. The singularity is a boundary point demarcation whereby all physical matter, space and time do not exist causally (not temporally) prior to planck time. Another (non-physical) dimension is most certainly in evidence. We can infer certain necessary non-physical attributes safely. Sure, it's not proof of a loving, caring God, but it's definitely evidence of something with the necessary attributes of God.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First off, you argued against the Big Bang armed with nothing but the KCA. Now you're criticising atheism for not being science. Well done, I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with you; but I do wish you wouldn't change the channels so quickly. Focus!
You suggested I had a problem with science, when I am arguing against Atheism.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First off, you argued against the Big Bang armed with nothing but the KCA. Now you're criticising atheism for not being science. Well done, I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with you; but I do wish you wouldn't change the channels so quickly. Focus!
Stimbo, perhaps you misunderstood or mis-spoke above.
I am certainly not arguing AGAINST Big Bang. In fact, Big Bang is central to the argument.
Read what I've already covered. It's all there.
