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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm
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(November 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm)jonb Wrote: (November 8, 2012 at 9:12 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: The absolute physical beginning is one of the powerful evidences for God.
Where is the absolute physical beginning? That is not the big bang
Yes, it most certainly is the Big Bang model. Borde, Guth and Vilinken's Theorem (BGV - 2003) has nailed the coffin shut on the matter with Mathematical proof.
The singularity is not some object that exploded in space. There was no space. The singularity is a boundary point demarcation whereby all physical matter, space and time do not exist causally (not temporally) prior to planck time. Another (non-physical) dimension is most certainly in evidence. We can infer certain necessary non-physical attributes safely. Sure, it's not proof of a loving, caring God, but it's definitely evidence of something with the necessary attributes of God.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First off, you argued against the Big Bang armed with nothing but the KCA. Now you're criticising atheism for not being science. Well done, I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with you; but I do wish you wouldn't change the channels so quickly. Focus!
You suggested I had a problem with science, when I am arguing against Atheism.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First off, you argued against the Big Bang armed with nothing but the KCA. Now you're criticising atheism for not being science. Well done, I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with you; but I do wish you wouldn't change the channels so quickly. Focus!
Stimbo, perhaps you misunderstood or mis-spoke above.
I am certainly not arguing AGAINST Big Bang. In fact, Big Bang is central to the argument.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:13 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Another (non-physical) dimension is most certainly in evidence. How would such a thing be -in evidence-?
Quote: We can infer certain necessary non-physical attributes safely.
Like?
Quote:Sure, it's not proof of a loving, caring God, but it's definitely evidence of something with the necessary attributes of God.
Whoah there buddy, weren't you just talking about "dimensions"...how did we get to "god"?
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:18 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: You suggested I had a problem with science, when I am arguing against Atheism.
Regardless, I wish you'd make up your mind about what you want to argue against, or for. You were the one who said that science is "very limited" and cannot access "most truth", even though you are sitting at a computer expressing this across a global internet. Then you switched gears and complained that atheism is not science, which I agree. I'm quite used to this sort of tactic, you're by no means the first to employ it and a very much doubt you'll be the last. It doesn't stop it from being very irritating though. If such was your intention, well done.
You want to argue against atheism? Fine. I suggest you do it in a thread that isn't entitled "Big Bang Theory". It could confuse a stupid person.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: (November 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm)jonb Wrote: Where is the absolute physical beginning? That is not the big bang
Yes, it most certainly is the Big Bang model. Borde, Guth and Vilinken's Theorem (BGV - 2003) has nailed the coffin shut on the matter with Mathematical proof.
The singularity is not some object that exploded in space. There was no space. The singularity is a boundary point demarcation whereby all physical matter, space and time do not exist causally (not temporally) prior to planck time. Another (non-physical) dimension is most certainly in evidence. We can infer certain necessary non-physical attributes safely. Sure, it's not proof of a loving, caring God, but it's definitely evidence of something with the necessary attributes of God.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First off, you argued against the Big Bang armed with nothing but the KCA. Now you're criticising atheism for not being science. Well done, I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with you; but I do wish you wouldn't change the channels so quickly. Focus!
You suggested I had a problem with science, when I am arguing against Atheism.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First off, you argued against the Big Bang armed with nothing but the KCA. Now you're criticising atheism for not being science. Well done, I don't think there's anyone here who would disagree with you; but I do wish you wouldn't change the channels so quickly. Focus!
Stimbo, perhaps you misunderstood or mis-spoke above.
I am certainly not arguing AGAINST Big Bang. In fact, Big Bang is central to the argument.
Read what I've already covered. It's all there.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Read what I've already covered. It's all there.
I can play this sanctimonious twat game as well. Probably better.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:44 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 10:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (November 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: You suggested I had a problem with science, when I am arguing against Atheism.
Regardless, I wish you'd make up your mind about what you want to argue against, or for. You were the one who said that science is "very limited" and cannot access "most truth", even though you are sitting at a computer expressing this across a global internet. Then you switched gears and complained that atheism is not science, which I agree. I'm quite used to this sort of tactic, you're by no means the first to employ it and a very much doubt you'll be the last. It doesn't stop it from being very irritating though. If such was your intention, well done.
You want to argue against atheism? Fine. I suggest you do it in a thread that isn't entitled "Big Bang Theory". It could confuse a stupid person.
Don't play games with me pal. I made a perfectly legitimate relevant argument, got swarmed by the Atheist protests and defeated all of your protests on the merits.
You have run out of ammunition, so you now pretend I'm off topic. Spare me the feigned whining. You asked for it. I delivered.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:47 pm
lol, I think of Tristo everytime I see a post like this.
"Shit on the board and declare victory".
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:48 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 10:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Read what I've already covered. It's all there.
I can play this sanctimonious twat game as well. Probably better.
No, I actually delivered. You didn't
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Better check that package....I don't think it arrived Truth...
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 8, 2012 at 10:50 pm
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Do you want to try stamping your foot as well, TM? You know, just to show what an internet tough guy you really are? It might stop people laughing at the funny clown.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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