(November 13, 2012 at 11:45 am)Darkstar Wrote: Forced marriage in biblical times.Yes, yet you keep bringing in relatively recent views on sex withing marriage.
Quote:Whether or not someone gets raped by their spouse is independant of whether or not the marriage was voluntary, but typically cultures with forced marriages (especially in the distant past) also allowed spousal rape.Typically, cultures have not considered sex between husband and wife to be rape in any circumstances.
Quote:Take a look at this passage:This is an indirect way to get their. If you knew the Bible you'd go here:
Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
So, yes, women would be forced to submit sexually to their husbands. Well, in this case it wouldn't really be women but probably young teens/preteens (given the customs and life expectancy of the time).
1 Cor 7
3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Not that either of these NT passages applied to the OT passage you cite.
Quote:If forcing someone to have sex with you against their will isn't rape, then what is?Rape is unlawful sexual intercourse. Most cultures have excluded sex between husband and wife from rape laws.
Quote:And if you say that it isn't rape in a marriage, then we must note that the marriage was also forced.Yes. You noted yourself that forced marriage does not necessarily imply rape.
Quote:Or are you implying that women shouldn't have a say in the matter, and that the bible is morally correct after all?I'm just asking that critics get the situation correct. Is it still unsettling from a modern western POV? Yes. But most atheists view it as battlefield rape and/or sex slaves, and that's not accurate. In that culture, men were expected to marry, and polygamy was allowed. That means some wives were needed from outside.