(November 15, 2012 at 8:55 am)Greatest I am Wrote: God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?
Our literature is rife with criticisms of God’s laws denouncing them as immoral. This is mostly done by non-believers and secular law makers and even many believers. The whole world has rejected the morality of God’s law.
Satan shall deceive the whole world. That is scripture.
Believers say that God’s laws are moral; yet very few believers are trying to push for adoption of God’s laws by secular governments.
If believers believed that God’s laws are moral, it follows that they would be trying to have them implemented by governments. Strangely, they do not.
Can a believer believe in God yet not believe in his laws?
No believer is living by God’s law.
If believers believe in God’s laws, should believers be living by them?
Law without punishment is impotent law.
Should believers demand that secular law use God’s punishments where those few laws are basically identical?
Regards
DL
You act like rejecting claims of fictional beings is a bad thing? Tell me, do you follow Allah's laws? Or Yahewh's laws? How about the laws the Anceint Egyptians claimed Ra mandated on them?
Your asking or telling us we need God's laws is like trying to convince us we need to follow the Laws of Luke Skywalker or Mickey Mouse.
And "punishment". In the bible and all the three holy books is hardly moral. Punishment in those books is revenge for dissent.
Punishment in secular law is not torture, but containment. When we put people in our prisons we dont beat the shit out of them on a daily basis and if our prisioners get physically abused by staff, that staff can be held accountable. Like if a male prison guard rapes a female inmate.
The gods of Abraham simple are dictators "Obey me or else". That is not law by consensus, that is law by appeal to authority. If you want to see what god/s look like in human form Kim Jong Un and the Communist party of China also have absolutely the final say and dont need your permission to rule over you.
But since gods don't exist it stands to reason that humans are not gods eiether, and even Kim Jong Un will die someday.
In secular society WE decide who our rulers are and WE can hold them to account when they do things we dont like, the same cannot be said for the "office of God", anymore than a North Korean has any chance of booting their abuser Kim Jong Un out of his office.
Kim Jong Un, like the Gods of Abraham does not need your permission to rule overy and will get revenge in the form of punishment and not just containment, but torture to use you as an example to others to stay in line.
"Law without punishment is impotant". And who says we don't have that? If you speed, you get a traffic ticket. If you murder someone you go to jail. Those things do exist right now.
Now if you want to claim that Christianity automatically makes you moreal, would you care to guys of the 2 million prisioners in our prison system, what they would claim their rleigion is? I can tell you it aint Buddhists or Jews or atheists, there might be a few, but the majority are Christian.
Take Japan, they have prisons too, but far fewer and much less of a need for them because there is vertually no crime rate compaired to our "Christian naitoin". Now why is ist that godless country seems to have less problems than we do?
Labels don't automatically make a human good or bad, only actions do. Otherwise there would be no need for purgury laws because bibles magically make people tell the truth.
Now Great As I Am, you lurk and post at several websites, in hopes that there will be a hugh chunk of gullible atheists as if this was our first rodeo. You are going to have to do much better than the standard 101 talking points of using threats and bribes you have here.
"Satan", which one? The Muslim one or the Christian one or the Catholic one or the Baptist one or the Sunni one?
Sorry, but using a book to prove a book by merely quoting it for self serving circular reasoning does not impress us. Nor does not believing in a god make us evil or constitute Allah or Yahweeh or Vishnu existing becaaus you are personaly frightended by our existance.
