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God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?
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RE: God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?
(November 15, 2012 at 4:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: In what way do you think this is different from your last non-explanation?
Just laying the foundation for what is to come.

Quote:Judging by the above I don't think that you do....and if we're going to go on any journeys you are going to have to at least take a single step....yes.
Allow me to clarify. In order for you to understand a more indepth answer you will have to acknoweledge the authority of God. If you have trouble with that "God said so" usally fishes it out. So point blank do you have any problem accepting the authority of God? If yes the the conversation is at an end. If not we may proceed with the next step of the explaination.

Quote:I already did. Do you have a serious answer?
Actually I do, are you prepared to take it 'seriously?' Big Grin


Quote:I don't think you understand Drich. It's a price I'm unwilling to pay.
..and I know you do not understand. It is not up to you to pay the price God set on sin. Nothing you have can attone for your sin. The price was paid by God himself. The second part you miss out on is the The Point of setting the price so high in the first place was to put people like you off to the idea of God demanding that this price is to be paid in the first place.

Quote:I will not reach into my pocket and pull out a handful of someone elses blood to excuse my own inequities..whatever they may be. I don't care how pretty the gardens on the other side of the gate are..I refuse to pay the price that the gatekeeper is said to demand.
Again, which is probably one of the reasons the price was set that high. To filter out the people who would not pay it.


Quote:That's precisely the problem....this price does lead me to an opinion of what you want this diety to be..of what this diety is said to be. It's horrid on the face of it...but if it's not even possible to explain how it works it becomes even more disgusting. A shell game where the cards are replaced with corpses.
Again if we have been given the ablity to freely choose, then ultimatly someone will not want to choose God. That fact that you were able to form a disagreeable opinion of God based on the requirements of Faith tell me that is one of very reasons for the requirements set by Him.
So that you may filter yourself out of the fellowship He has planned for everyone else. In turn It been my experience (*per Festive1's advice) that we have been given things (moral issues) like this so we know in our hearts without reservation or doubt, that our final judgement is just and accurate. That before we are judged we know our eternal fate. It is a kindness to know why you have been sent to eternal seperation after getting to know ever so briefly the Love of God. The only thing worse than going to Hell is not knowing why you are their. IF This is your fate, you will know why you will spend eternity seperated from God.

Quote:And someone somewhere may just have the most compelling reasons imaginable for that disagreement. That doesn't leave god in any position of authority Drich.
The problem with our current understanding of judgement is that arguements have to be weighed and reasoned out to seek truth. God does not need reasons or evidence or anything else. Judgement is swift and accurate. Their is only truth, and not interpertation of evidence. Heb 4:12 For the word of God (Another name for Jesus) is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Quote:Everything eh? I don't think you'll let him do that...nor do I think he is ever said to make the claim that he's willing to do that himself.
Hell is the absence of the Glory of God. Hell is a void or pit. It is the oppsite of creation. So yes, God will ensure that you will be place apart from Him/His Glory and the rest of creation. This promise has been made many times through out scripture. God Will Not drag anyone into Heaven Kicking and screaming. If you want to be seperated from God, then He has an 'app' for that. Big Grin


Quote:My questions and comments require nothing.
If you ask What color my car is? i am bound by the parameters of your question to answer Red. Like wise if you ask of a specific value or a given nature of God, I am also bound to tell you what I know of your question. If you do not like the answer then ask a different question.

(November 15, 2012 at 11:17 pm)Darkstar Wrote: yeah, you didn't get the point. Why atone if they are impossible to follow?
Um, yeah.. God said so.

Quote:Why apologize for breaking rules that are designed to be impossible not to break? If breathing was illegal and you were threatened with the death penalty unless you regularly repented for breathing, would that not be insane? And all because someone in power decided breathing was wrong (when other people did it, anyway) while refusig to give a justification for his rule. "Because god said so" only carries weight if you can demonstrate that anyything god says is instantly infalliable (not just you think this is true, but proof that it is) and that the bible was written (directly or indirectly) by god (regardless of whether or not he exists, though if he doesn't it is automatically known that he didn't write/inspire it).
This sounds like a viable judgement day defense strageity. Let me know how it works out for you.
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RE: God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral? - by Drich - November 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral? - by Drich - November 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral? - by Drich - November 17, 2012 at 12:31 pm

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