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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

November 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm (This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

(November 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm)alwayson Wrote:
(November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Buddhists seem to like making that claim, they have trouble substantiating it though....

I just gave you 2 concrete examples.

Dawkins is always drawn into a losing argument about the beginning of the universe. Dawkins just says scientists are working on it, which makes western atheists look weak.

Concrete? Well I dont know about that.."concrete" things seem to be, to my mind, things that we can claim exist....

Nevertheless, what's weak about saying "we're working on it"? Sounds like a personal value judgement to me...and it's a value judgement I disagree with. "We're working on it" is honesty...honesty is a strong position.

Quote:Secondly, Dawkins is never able to outright negate God.

And?

Whether or not theres a creation has little do do with whether or not anything exists. The word "creation" implies an act...just because I don't believe that the act occurred doesn't automatically mean I have to default to nothing. "No creation" is my position as well btw, I didn't have to resort to nihilism or buddhism to get there though. I like to put the cart -behind the horse-. No creator and thusly no creation, you are clearly free to reverse these if you like.

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 4:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by jonb - November 28, 2012 at 8:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by festive1 - November 28, 2012 at 4:33 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:35 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Napoléon - November 28, 2012 at 5:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - November 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:44 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:47 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:53 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:07 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:33 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm

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