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RE: Can the forum's christians see the demons in other people?
December 5, 2012 at 5:29 pm
(December 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm)Darkstar Wrote: So, either he is deliberately being a thug, or these people really are totally evil.
How is it being a thug to give people life?
Quote:It seems odd to employ a literary device in a supposedly literal event.
That would be odd, which is why I assumed you were using the more general meaning of symbolic. I guess I shouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt!
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Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
We can establish both that this dragon is Satan, and that he "leads the whole world astray".
Revelation 13:4-8
4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
The devil and his new sidekick defeat god's chosen and take over the entire world...why?
Good question, and part of the reason that I think God has deals with Satan (and possibly other angels) that we're not privy too.
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Revelation 13:11-17
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Worship me or die...sound familiar?
No...feel free to explain it if you like.
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Revelation 19:19-21
Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
Some heavenly knight throws the two beasts into hell and kills everybody who was brainwashed/threatened into worshipping it.If you read no other, read the one below
Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
All of that misery, when he could have done this in the first place? He "must" release Satan, knowing what will happen? Does this make any sense to you?
It makes sense if God had made deals with Satan that we're not privy to. It's interesting that you're finding some of the very passages that lead me to that position, yet don't make the connection yourself.
Quote:(Note that it says 'decieve', not 'corrupt', as in these people were honestly tricked, not that they were evil.)
