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Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
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RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
(December 7, 2012 at 5:56 pm)John V Wrote: As we can't create humans. God can, so the general principal on creation can be applied to him, unless you're invoking some sort of special pleading.
Says you. Trouble with that, is that you actually have to establish that claim, and then you'd have to find a way to establish that people can be property again. Nothing special about this plea. The right to own a human being is not a recognized right. Not by the country I live in, nor by myself personally. Do you recognize this right?
(find me, by the way, a single reference to whether or not humans are capable of creating other humans as a justification for why we don;t have this right?...fucking garbage John...)

Quote:And you still haven't told us about this magical body which must recognize rights, or why ants don't seem to have rights.
As with all things here in the real world, no magic is required. Here, in the US, our rights are determined (in part) by a document conveniently called "The Bill of Rights". They are modified, added to, and sustained by our government, subject to reasoned arguments and precedent. Ants don't seem to have any rights because they haven't created any. I imagine the moment that an ant stands up and asks us about it's rights we'd have a hell of a problem on our hands, similar to the situation with AI. Course, we don't usually let these things linger (and we seem to be interested in stumping for the rights of those that cannot stump for those rights themselves)...so even in our system -some- animals have rights.

Let me relate a little story about rights and ownership of human property to you. It has a bit to do with the 1850 Fugitive Slave act, a moment in time when people (but not people, really, "negros") could be considered property. One Jesse Jones was seized under the Fugitive Act, claimed to be the property of a man named Wyatt. Wyatt claimed that Mr. Jones had escaped from labor two years prior to his being seized. Unfortunately for Wyatt, Mr. Jones had not escaped from any labor, he was a free man and had in fact been living in Pittsburgh for some 20 years.......... Wyatt was arrested for perjury, defaulted on his bail...and was summarily imprisoned. In this case, even though the right to own a human being was recognized (and similarly the right to self determination was not) Wyatts inability to demonstrate the veracity of his claim (combined with his insistence of it-under oath no less) landed him in the slammer. I'd call that a job well done.

The point of this little tale, is to explain to you that even if we recognized human beings as property - which we don't- we still demand that a valid claim of ownership be made. So your little appeal to slave-driving god is going to fall on deaf ears on every count with me.
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Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by LastPoet - December 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 5, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 6, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Zen Badger - December 6, 2012 at 3:51 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 6, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 6, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 6, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 6, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 7, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Norfolk And Chance - December 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Minimalist - December 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 7, 2012 at 10:31 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Zen Badger - December 7, 2012 at 6:01 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by LastPoet - December 7, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 7, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 1:38 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Jackalope - December 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 8, 2012 at 6:03 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 9:45 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 8, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Welsh cake - December 8, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 8, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 8, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2012 at 12:12 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 9, 2012 at 7:03 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 9, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 9, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 10, 2012 at 2:46 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 10, 2012 at 7:31 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 9, 2012 at 4:26 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Zen Badger - December 9, 2012 at 6:16 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2012 at 5:21 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Welsh cake - December 9, 2012 at 6:52 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Cyberman - December 9, 2012 at 9:45 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 10, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by KichigaiNeko - December 10, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm

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