RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
December 9, 2012 at 11:27 am
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2012 at 11:46 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 9, 2012 at 7:03 am)John V Wrote: So God, as king of all creation, is the one who has authority to determine who has what rights. Thanks!Thank you again for your testimony Mr. Wyatt.
Quote:No, I'm having fun right here watching you dance around the cognitive dissonance caused by fact that humans take liberties with lesser species, yet you charge god with evil for doing the same.Textbook appeal to hypocrisy. Right after I took the time to explain it for you. It wouldn't matter if you had shown this (which you haven't...we haven't had that conversation) - you'll still have to address the issue...and if you plan to handle it as you did above...well....
The right of kings, or more aptly tyrants, to rule isn't something recognized by myself - or the country I live in. Should I add this to the list of things you're A-OK with? Human Property and Kingship? Bravo.
Quote:So, animal rights activists are just as compelling in their position that people who eat meat, kill pests, etc. are wrong, as you charge God with being wrong.Like I said, start a thread. None of this will excuse your god.
I suppose god cares about you charge as much as the people in a FIve Guys care about PETA.
Quote:Yes, it matters.No, it doesn't.
Quote:Again, when you make a claim of consistency, pointing out your inconsistency is not fallacious.Which wouldn't matter even if it -were- true.
Yes, as your positions are hypocritical and mine aren't, and you made a specific claim of consistency.
Quote:No, I think that showing lack of consistency refutes your claim of consistency. As you said:Staggering amount of ignorance in this particular post. We actually -have- determined that animals have rights, those rights are all justified by the sentience of the animals in questions, and specifically designed to address them. They are also specifically designed to consider the relationship we have with livestock...and unless your god is going to die and heaven around him crumble without fresh human souls (that would be fantastic, btw).....then you haven't even found any similarity between the two. If you'd like to start a thread about this I'll help you shed any quaint assumptions you've made about animals and their rights. Not that any of this has any bearing on your god or my position. If human beings were outright monsters it wouldn't excuse your god. If you need me to explain what an appeal to hypocrisy is again, just say so.
Considering the supermarket, we apparently haven't determined that life is a right which originates in sentience. So, who are you to protest if god also denies men that right?
Quote:See above. Apparently the rights which originate in sentience are few and trivial, if there are any at all.I saw ignorance above. All rights begin with and originate from sentience, but clearly we don't feel that all sentient things have any given right (felons in this country, for example, lose their "right to keep and bear arms"). I'm starting to see why this whole god and creation business appeals to you. An actual discussion about rights and their justification is just too much to bear. If it were any more complicated, heads might explode
Quote:Which claim is that, and how do you know I felt a compulsion to make it?Do you often make claims about a god without any compulsion to do so? That would be troubling. So, we've gone from the shit and run - to deflection- to feigned indignation about claims? I have an idea of what might have you wrapped in knots though. My wondering whether or not -you- feel that human property or the right of kings to rule has noting to do with the criticisms of this concept of god I've seen offered. Even so, if you'd like to defend your own consistency attempting to do so by pointing out what you feel to be inconsistency in any of my positions (more aptly what you've imagined them to be) is -still- an appeal to hypocrisy. If you need me to be a monster that's fine. For this discussion assume that I am, assume that I'm a tyrant that owns human beings and takes delight in cruelly killing animals for fun- a merciless little pedant that denies all other creatures the rights he hoards for himself. Now that we're done with that, and you have nothing left to bitch about on my end...care to explain why you're god isn't the same? Care to elaborate on your own position re: human property and the right of kings to rule?
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