RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
December 10, 2012 at 12:25 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2012 at 12:39 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm)John V Wrote: Incorrect. Once you make a claim of consistency, inconsistency is a legitimate issue, as noted repeatedly.Note it as repeatedly as you like, it will be an appeal to hypocrisy the 10007th time - just as it was the 1st time
Quote:That you listed kings in your reply indicates that you would recognize a king's authority to grant or withhold rights.LOL, no John, it doesn't.... but some do (I try to be accommodating). Are you one of those people?
Quote:Ants are sentient, but I can kill them. People are sentient, but God can kill them.You certainly can, and if we grant you your fairy tales god is similarly capable of offing people....but that doesn't mean that he should, that he has the right-even if he has the ability-(no more than it means that we should, or that we have the right). This ignores an ability to claim or excersize a "right" in error, as is so recently evidenced in the history of the US (hello Mr. Wyatt). Mentioning that people kill ants, btw, appeal to hypocrisy..yet again. Back to the drawing board.
(you're really shitting all over rights as they may apply to non-human species btw, it's embarrassing)
Quote:God views us as criminals, and so can limit our rights.To properly apply this analogy you'd have to first establish god, then establish the authority of god, then god would have to establish that a crime had been committed...then (since you like the analogy) we'd have to be judged by a jury of our peers, finally, god would have to sentence us in a manner commensurate the crime committed and of course...this is all up for appeal ad infinitum.
No dice.
I really appreciate how far we've strayed from Job, largely because you were incapable of painting god as "the good guy" in the narrative.
@Apo. If John knew what my views on animals rights were - the area he thinks he has some ground to claim- he may be able to refute them. Since he doesn't, he can't. Not that it would matter if he could. My own views on the rights of animals could very well be in error, and he's certainly free to create that thread. I've invited him to do so maybe twice now. Unfortunately, my being wrong won't make god right as you noted. He absolutely has misunderstood the fallacy (but at this point-who cares-he clearly isn't going to stop... lol). What I find immensely more interesting is that he doesn't seem to realize that my questioning him about whether or not -he- consistently applies those propositions he would excuse his god with are a separate issue. Gotta get an interesting side convo going in these little exchanges, because the god well runs dry quick. Know what I mean? This convo (like a similar one I had with Drich recently) isn't interesting because of any fairy John want's to blather on about, but because it gives me a window into his own willingness to disregard human beings as casually as dew drips from leaves.
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