(October 12, 2009 at 12:41 pm)theVOID Wrote:(October 12, 2009 at 12:21 pm)Saerules Wrote: The original universe is cyclic... so even if b and c are true later down the line: A is the 'origin' of it all... though a circle has no beginning.
What evidence do you have to support that proposition? Because the evidence i have shows that the universe is expanding exponentially(taken from measuring the red-shift on supernovae; the Doppler effect) due to the universal constant(lambda; the energy density per square meter of the universe) remaining constant(due to the influx of 'Dark Energy') despite the expansion of spacetime and may already have expanded beyond the point where a collapse(big crunch) and re-expansion(big bounce) are possible.
There is no evidence to suggest a cyclic universe, in fact the idea seems to be disproved by said expansion.
Also, B and C are supernatural and thus are not part of a naturalistic view of origins.
Ours is not the original universe then


B and C are indeed supernatural. Say that I control just about everything of a simulated populace in ways I have programed.. I am not bound by the rules of their universe though. So while from my POV: I am doing natural things... from their POV: the supernatural is being committed. In essence, gods could be just normal people, on a different plane of existence (we could be a video game after all

Also, I still see this universe cyclicly despite others observations to the 'contrary'. I do not hold any faith that it is possible to expand beyond a 'big crunch'... and the exponential speed at which we appear to be expanding has not been well enough explained for me to consider more than theory. Simply: we do not fully understand our plane of existence (if it can be called a plane?)... and all theories as to the state of it are not certain. However, if you evidence holds true: it is to state that energy is being generated from nothingness (therefore 1≠1) and we will be sucked together by a 'big crunch' all the faster because of exponential creation of energy. In this case: we are riding out on the effects of being pushed away from universal center by an exponentially growing mass of energy (therefore exponential increase in speed). A number of things change in our universe if 1≠1... few of them good.

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Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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