Another gun thread...

[Napoléon]

Wait, why would the, "So you can protect yourself from the government 'crap" be your government telling you so?

I'm not sure what you're insinuating here. Maybe it's the way you phrased the question, but I'm not under the impression I claimed the government tells us to do anything.

The reason I don't want to go into the whole constitution thing is because it doesn't get at the issue I want to address. Whether owning a gun is a moral right. What the government has to say about it isn't really what I want to listen to.

Just because the law also happens to say that doesn't make it crap or less valid of a reason.

To say what? Can you be more specific? I'm not being pedantic but I'm not sure exactly what your point is.

If you're referring to me calling the 'constitution crap' crap, it's not that I don't see it as an invalid reason, rather I'm asking for another reason, mainly because I'm not interested in hearing that as a reason. I've heard it enough times now, the point of this thread was to get an idea of why people think they're entitled to guns, from another angle other than 'because my constitution says so', or 'because we have to fight oppressive governments'.

I GET IT.

If you disagree with the fact that I'm interested in hearing other arguments, don't respond at all.

When was the last time England had to arm itself against the ruling class? Well, the answer to that question may be why you feel so compliant. As for the U.S., the country is only old enough that you could virtually be the great granddaughter of someone who was alive during the American Revolution. That is not a long time. During that time, we have had to fight Britain twice with militia, fight a faction of the government that went rogue, almost had to deal with an army an ex Vice President was planning, etc. It is a valid and logical reason, no matter how you look at it. So is gun regulation. Not elimination. Regulation.

Blah blah blah, exactly the talk I really am not interested in.

You feel that your history grants you the specific rights to bear arms. Now again, I'm not dismissing it as a valid argument and if you think it is, then fair enough, I'm just asking for another argument. I don't personally think what you're saying is a compelling enough reason myself, but as I've said, that's not the issue I would like to discuss in this thread.

I haven't seen anyone give a real reason as to why they think they should be entitled to bear arms, as was asked in the OP. Just plenty of people saying they 'think' they should be.

Well, I'll ask again. Why do people think that?

Why do you think they shouldn't be? If it is death and violence, then why do you think sharp objects, chemicals, etc. should be legal and not guns?

This is not an argument nor an answer to my question. Your response is simply a loaded question that deflects from my original post.

If you want to answer my question answer it.