Another gun thread...

[Shell B]

I'm not sure what you're insinuating here. Maybe it's the way you phrased the question, but I'm not under the impression I claimed the government tells us to do anything.

Yes, you said somewhere in this thread that so you can protect yourself from the government is basically saying you think we should be allowed to have guns because the government says so. Since when is agreeing with a law not an opinion?

The reason I don't want to go into the whole constitution thing is because it doesn't get at the issue I want to address. Whether owning a gun is a moral right. What the government has to say about it isn't really what I want to listen to.

If someone thinks it is moral for the same reasons it is in the Constitution, then the document is a valid argument.

To say what? Can you be more specific? I'm not being pedantic but I'm not sure exactly what your point is.

Agreeing with the Constitution doesn't make it less valid an argument or crap. Therefore, it is a logical and valid answer to your query. That you are dismissive of it is telling.

I've heard it enough times now, the point of this thread was to get an idea of why people think they're entitled to guns, from another angle other than 'because my constitution says so', or 'because we have to fight oppressive governments'.

You asked people their opinions. You are only looking for specific opinions. That's fucking odd.

If you disagree with the fact that I'm interested in hearing other arguments, don't respond at all.

Oh, Napo, you know better than to think you can tell people where to respond and where not to respond, just as you should know you cannot tell people who to respond. This is not a puppet show.

Blah blah blah, exactly the talk I really am not interested in.

Well, good then. Now I know that you are not interested in hearing anything that you do not feel like arguing. Your attitude is not conducive to the type of discussion you are looking for. If I gave, "So that spoiled bitches like you do not move here" as a reason, would that be good enough for you? Again, if you are not interested in discussing it at all, why start your masturbatory thread?

I'm just asking for another argument.

Tough. Some people do not have another argument.

I don't personally think what you're saying is a compelling enough reason myself, but as I've said, that's not the issue I would like to discuss in this thread.

Well, since we are talking about rights, you do not have the right to be exclusionary.

This is not an argument nor an answer to my question. Your response is simply a loaded question that deflects from my original post.

I answered your question. Your original post is an exclusionary piece of shit. So, again, why don't you think people should be allowed to have guns? Oh, and, "Because they might shoot people" is not good enough for me. You will have to think of something else.

If you want to answer my question answer it.

I did, but you only want to hear "other" answers, which is ludicrous and dismissive of answers many would give. Another answer from me would be so that I can shoot things if I so wish it. Those things include people who may try to hurt me. Yes, if someone tries to hurt me, I should be allowed to have a gun so I can shoot them. I assure you that I have very little hope against most attackers without a gun. Therefore, I would need a gun if I were interested in successful self defense.