(January 2, 2013 at 8:12 pm)Ryft Wrote:It's like saying that the truth of the rings of power is consistent with the LotR world. They exist, they are not dependent on anything external to that world and they can't be false..... i.e. necessarily, the rings of power exist.(January 2, 2013 at 7:58 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh really? Necessarily true? Why?
By definition. Its truth is not determined by or dependent upon anything outside itself, nor is it possible to be false (i.e., necessarily true).
Just because some tale is self-contained and self-consistent it doesn't mean that that tale represents reality in a trustworthy way (aka, true).
Maybe I'm just missing your point entirely and require you to make it a bit more verbose.
(January 2, 2013 at 8:12 pm)Ryft Wrote:(January 2, 2013 at 7:58 pm)pocaracas Wrote: What's wrong with all other religions?
Because they all fail in one respect or another; some require intellectual currency from without in order to sustain coherence, some admit to being fictions and are content with that, some contain self-contradictions (and some are happy to admit and embrace those contradictions), some describe a world that does not look like the one we live in, and on and on.
And christianity fulfills every one of your requirements? Awesome!
How do you explain the religions that existed before christianity? None of them were "self-attesting, logically coherent, and consistent both with itself and the world in which we live", according to you.... so how come people believed in them?
I mean, if there is some sort of god, that god must have passed some knowledge onto those people so they could worship it, but did so in a way that disabled them from attaining a "self-attesting, logically coherent, and consistent both with itself and the world in which we live" religion....
This god had to generate a human being that would set things straight... why? Why couldn't it get things right the first time around? (this was the third time, if you count the flood)
To me, it all sounds a lot like man-made myth and very little like all-powerful divine intervention.
In light of these "slight" objections of your religion, how can you call it "self-attesting, logically coherent, and consistent both with itself and the world in which we live"?
- Self-attesting? What does that mean, to you? To me it sounds like, if you believe, you are convinced it represent reality and any event that defies a naturalistic interpretation by you is automatically attributed to this divine entity. wishful thinking? god of the gaps? stuff like that....
- Logically coherent? all-powerful deity that can't pass a damn message straight to all of man-kind?
- Consistent with itself? That it is... as are all fairy tales.
- Consistent with the world in which we live? Atheists have been asking for proof of that consistency for ages... I have failed to see any. Please provide it.