(January 10, 2013 at 10:14 am)Napoléon Wrote:It's relevant because the 2nd amendment was written precisely because the USA had been born through a violent uprising against an oppressive government. The founding fathers surmised that the same action might be needed again. That is why it is relevant today.(January 10, 2013 at 4:51 am)JohnDG Wrote: -This country was not only founded upon the right to bare arms, but also is the reason we won it in the first place.Explain how this is relevant today.
Quote:Because the citizens can fight back against oppression.Quote:Nobody is going to enslave us or take away our right to a free lifestyle. No thug can enslave us with fear. No government can enslave us physically or with unjust laws.Because you have guns?
Quote:The mindset of someone who was living in George Washington's times.With the number of laws going around in recent years that try to reduce civil liberties, this mindset is still relevant today, if not more so.
Quote:I fail to see how that topic is completely different now to what it was then. This is a universal truth of governments; if you have a government which holds all the power, it will become tyrannical (I have never seen a benevolent dictatorship). If a government is restricted and controlled by the electorate, liberty is maximized.Quote:-"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." -Thomas JeffersonA guy who lived two hundred years ago talking on a topic that is completely different now to what it was then.
Quote:Are you saying there are more effective ways to enslave people than to take away their methods of fighting enslavement?Quote:-"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."Another guy who lived two hundred years ago talking on a topic that is completely different now to what it was then.
George Mason
Quote:Given the number of criminals who are killed by people in self-defense in America, I'd say this mindset is very much in date. If a person breaks into your home, they will rarely stay long enough for the police to show up, that is, if you manage to call them. If you have a gun, you can stop the criminal yourself.Quote:-Police cannot be everywhere at once, and it is up to us citizens to protect ourselves, our family and property.
Again, an outdated mindset IMHO. The sort of mindset that leads to vigilantism.
Get in the 21st century bro.
Quote:How about this one? A criminal breaks into your home carrying a gun. Are your chances of survival higher if you have a gun, or if you don't? Without a gun, the criminal could shoot you easily. With one, you can shoot them back.Quote:-Without the ability to project an equal force your chances of survival are limited.
I call bullshit.
Clarify a scenario and I'll tell you why.