RE: How is a gun a 'tool'?
January 19, 2013 at 5:48 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2013 at 6:29 pm by Napoléon.)
(January 19, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The context was established (in my view) in the sentence before, where you stated that his post completely contradicted mine.
I guess the exact phrasing was wrong in my post, what I should of said was it rendered your point null considering he just posted exactly what you reckoned you'd never seen before.
Quote:To then go on and accuse me of not reading his posts came across pretty clear to me.
Well, considering he's posted the same thing before, you did miss it.
Quote:If you didn't mean that, then you weren't exactly very clear about it
I thought it was pretty clear provided you took into context the entirety of my post

Quote:and if A Theist has described guns in the same way as hand tools before, I can honestly say I've never seen it. He posts a lot here; I don't claim to read all posts in all threads.
So why is it then good logic to suggest that Ryantology was making an invalid claim and that, what was it again... "I think that comparison exists only in your mind."
Quote:Show me an actual example of someone comparing a firearm with other tools and I'll gladly evaluate it.
If you're going to be pedantic enough to miss the one in this thread then there's really no point discussing it.
Quote:However, it is not true that most pro-gun people do this, and if the occasional nut does it, it really doesn't change my opinion of guns anyway.
I think it's just as fair to say that some do. And whether it changes your opinion or not is irrelevant.
Quote:Again, I don't think A Theist's example is what Ryantology was talking about. There are some quite clear distinctions between actual guns, and nail guns (even if they are shaped like assault rifles). Guns are designed to kill; nail guns are designed for construction. Guns are designed to take bullets; nail guns are designed to take nails. Bullets are shaped to fly through the air pretty smoothly, which is why they are accurate and make good ammunition. Nails on the other hand, are not. It wouldn't surprise me if the nail gun A Theist pointed to was highly inaccurate at a distance. It looks more like a gimmick than anything else.
To me this is just completely missing the point. As I've said, the problem is not with how you define guns, but the attempt to mislead and trivialise what they can do.
(January 19, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: But they are both equally tools nonetheless
I've not personally disputed that being the case.
But I think the OP is onto a point that people use the term 'tool' with guns in an attempt to put them on the same level as other kinds of tools.