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The pope has a pacemaker
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RE: The pope has a pacemaker
(February 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm)Drich Wrote: I don't get it. Why does your version of God have to be at odds with nature and technology? In your opinion what makes All Powerful God unable to work through technology and nature?

Because god working through humans conflicts with free will, and because there would be no need for god to use humans to achieve his ends.

You can say that god doesn't alter free will, since free will is whatever god wants it to be. You can also say that humans inventing things and saving lives helps us grow, so it's sort of like a test. However, to a god, our growth would be arbitrary. And if you're okay with god adjusting free will because he creates free will, there would then be no issue with god simply making us better people directly, without bothering with struggle or invention, since by claiming the former you admit that you're okay with the latter. (Altering free will and altering human thought and ability both break the same fundy argument; that a god would want us to live our own lives, without divine intervention.)

He could have simply made the Pope not require a pacemaker-- miraculous healing could have solved his health issues.
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The pope has a pacemaker - by zebo-the-fat - February 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Aegrus - February 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Anomalocaris - February 12, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Brian37 - February 12, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Simon Moon - February 13, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Cyberman - February 12, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Cato - February 12, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Napoléon - February 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Minimalist - February 13, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by zebo-the-fat - February 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Violet - February 12, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Anomalocaris - February 12, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Cyberman - February 12, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Brian37 - February 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by CleanShavenJesus - February 12, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Aegrus - February 12, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Cyberman - February 12, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Violet - February 13, 2013 at 5:22 am
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Anomalocaris - February 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Anomalocaris - February 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Violet - February 13, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Minimalist - February 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Anomalocaris - February 13, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Anomalocaris - February 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: The pope has a pacemaker - by Brian37 - February 13, 2013 at 5:49 pm

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