(February 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm)Alternate Wrote: Because god working through humans conflicts with free will,What if 'free will' is not the freedom to choose whatever we want to do with this life, but the right to choose where we wish to spend eternity?
Quote:because there would be no need for god to use humans to achieve his endsWho is to say 'His ends' are not to work through our efforts? the NT seems to be littered with examples of this.
Quote:You can say that god doesn't alter free will, since free will is whatever god wants it to be. You can also say that humans inventing things and saving lives helps us grow, so it's sort of like a test.Actually i say 'free will' (as the bible describes not the 'free will of Greek philosphy) has nothing to do with this.
Humans inventing things is little more than a young son mimicing his father. Just scaled up a few points. the fact that we are allowed to play with these 'larger toys' is only because our Father has allowed it.
Quote: However, to a god, our growth would be arbitrary. And if you're okay with god adjusting free will because he creates free will, there would then be no issue with god simply making us better people directly, without bothering with struggle or invention, since by claiming the former you admit that you're okay with the latter. (Altering free will and altering human thought and ability both break the same fundy argument; that a god would want us to live our own lives, without divine intervention.)Maybe you should define 'free will' as i think you have confused the biblical concept of it and the Greek philosphy that uses the same name. I would also ask that you any biblical references that establish your defination. (if you have any)
Quote:He could have simply made the Pope not require a pacemaker-- miraculous healing could have solved his health issues.What if it is not within the Will of God that support the office of the 'pope'? With mircials, but at the same time want a given man to play out a role in this religion?
