(February 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm)Chuck Wrote: Because technological prowess is the result of a thought process that has demonstrated itself to be both uniquely valid, predictive, and incompatible with such thought techniques as might arrive at some particular god, metaphysical or not; where as metaphysical god is the predictive result of of thought technique that have been demonstrateds to be overwhelmingly lacking in predictive power whereever its predictive power has been tested. It takes a sickening case of special pleding to argue that even so, the bullshit technique remains valid in this one case where the weakminded happen to wish there to be a god.
Do you even know what half of those words mean?

You speak against special pleading.. and yet you plead specially for science. Damn right it's sickening.
Quote:Prior to the achievement of technological prowess, it was possible to argue with less obvious disingenuousness than would be needed today that such thought processes as might arrive at metaphysical god was, while not demonstratably valid, was also not demonstrably more invalid than anything else. Hence in the absence of, or obliviousness to, track record for different thinking techniques, it might appear that wish think was as good as any for truth finding, while affording the additional benefit of increasing the chance that such "truth" as might be "found" would also "happen" to comply more to one's own wishes.
Regardless of our technological 'prowess', metaphysical and philosophical subject matter is not impacted by it. I think your word and sentence structure needs some serious work, as I'm having serious difficulty reading that second sentence. Perhaps you should rephrase.
Reading that as it's written is a laugh and a half

Quote:So metaphysical god was only justified on the basis of "when everything is bullshit, this is as good a piece of bullshit as anything else". But with the advent of technology, is has been shown that not everything is bullshit, and those which have been shown to be not bullshit does not include metaphysical god, and all those which have been shown to be non-bullshit are also arrived at with techniques, thus validated, that are also incompatible with such god as might have been arrive with other techniques.
I justify a metaphysical god on the basis of bananas existing. Justification is not made better by changing the subject matter of that justification: in every case... righteousness is assumed.
This 'advent' of 'technology' you praise so religiously? It happened at least hundreds of millions of years ago when the first 'tool' was used to an end. No matter how 'far' your treasured technology has progressed: it is irrelevant to metaphysics.
Materialism is the inside of the box, but there is always an outside of the box (even if it consists of nothing). In any case of dualism that involves a metaphysical creator: *THEY BUILT THE FUCKING BOX*. There are rules they use in the box, and they can choose whether to follow them or not. In the case of the 'perfect creator' nonsense: there would be no reason for them to make a rule they did not intend to follow to the letter.

Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day