Why would any woman want to be Christian?

[jstrodel]

Nice counterargument, except for the part where you did not present any sort of counter to the video's argument.

You try to hold him to a bunch of stuff he says and the style in which he says it, but you never deny the validity of what he's saying. I don't care how you put it, the Bible puts women below men. And that's not right.

That is because I don't really know what the correct position is. I have thought about gender issues a good amount in the Bible. There are different positions people take. You mention "the Bible puts women below men" and you treat this as a self-evident assertion of the Bible's moral inferiority, yet you give no evidence. I think it is an interesting and perplexing aspect of scripture that men and women are repeatedly given different roles. It is true obviously that they have different roles biological, women are able to produce children while men are not.

Whether in fact men are to be given greater spiritual authority than women, I believe is very probable. I grew up in a feminist home in which my mother and father both had equal say in what happened. The result was chaos, they fought all the time, there was no peace, there was no sense of order. My dad bought into feminist values to a large degree and there was a sense that equality between genders was something that was stressed.

Was this the right way to run a family? Well, it created a lot of problems, as I said, there was a lot of chaos. Men and women are biologically different and there is biblical evidence for treating them as being different, although many Christians do not read the Bible the way that the man in the video said.

I really could not say what is the answer. I do not think that it is self evident the proposition "some passages of scripture teach male leadership as greater than female leadership" in any way entails the moral inferiority of scripture. Where do you deduce this from? From what assumption about human nature do you come to the conclusion which men and women, biologically very different should have the exact same roles. This is not self evident to me, I think it is likely false, but I don't know the exact form that should manifest.

Feminism is a very new movement, it has not been around for very long at all. To say that lack of agreement with feminist theory constitutes an absolute intrinsic evil, a standard that can be measured absolutely against the Bible is to fail to see that the standard originates in a human movement.

What is your basis for claiming that feminist values supersede the Bible?

And yet, even as I say this, scripture itself declares that husbands and wives should "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ" and the Deborah was the prophetess who ruled over Israel and that there is "no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free but Christ is all and in all" Gal 3.

I do not know what to make of this issue, but frankly I know that the person who posted this video does not know enough to be taken seriously. If you consider what he is doing to be an authoritative work on the subject, that shows that you are not well read about issues in New Testament theology.

He assumes that a fundamentalist approach to scripture is the only one that is Christian. This is a typical atheist lie, that in order to be a Christian, you have to read the Bible and take every single thing literally, and not study the traditions and culture that informs the Word of God. Of course, the person on the video does not do this, he is more concerned with getting a laugh out of people than being accurate.

I actually saw this same person on YouTube smoking a bong and then talking about atheism. If this is who you want to learn about Biblical criticism from, that shows you aren't serious about it.

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Nice counterargument, except for the part where you did not present any sort of counter to the video's argument.

You try to hold him to a bunch of stuff he says and the style in which he says it, but you never deny the validity of what he's saying. I don't care how you put it, the Bible puts women below men. And that's not right.

That is because I don't really know what the correct position is. I have thought about gender issues a good amount in the Bible. There are different positions people take. You mention "the Bible puts women below men" and you treat this as a self-evident assertion of the Bible's moral inferiority, yet you give no evidence. I think it is an interesting and perplexing aspect of scripture that men and women are repeatedly given different roles. It is true obviously that they have different roles biological, women are able to produce children while men are not.

Whether in fact men are to be given greater spiritual authority than women, I believe is very probable. I grew up in a feminist home in which my mother and father both had equal say in what happened. The result was chaos, they fought all the time, there was no peace, there was no sense of order. My dad bought into feminist values to a large degree and there was a sense that equality between genders was something that was stressed.

Was this the right way to run a family? Well, it created a lot of problems, as I said, there was a lot of chaos. Men and women are biologically different and there is biblical evidence for treating them as being different, although many Christians do not read the Bible the way that the man in the video said.

I really could not say what is the answer. I do not think that it is self evident the proposition "some passages of scripture teach male leadership as greater than female leadership" in any way entails the moral inferiority of scripture. Where do you deduce this from? From what assumption about human nature do you come to the conclusion which men and women, biologically very different should have the exact same roles. This is not self evident to me, I think it is likely false, but I don't know the exact form that should manifest.

Feminism is a very new movement, it has not been around for very long at all. To say that lack of agreement with feminist theory constitutes an absolute intrinsic evil, a standard that can be measured absolutely against the Bible is to fail to see that the standard originates in a human movement.

What is your basis for claiming that feminist values supersede the Bible?

And yet, even as I say this, scripture itself declares that husbands and wives should "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ" and the Deborah was the prophetess who ruled over Israel and that there is "no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free but Christ is all and in all" Gal 3.

I do not know what to make of this issue, but frankly I know that the person who posted this video does not know enough to be taken seriously. If you consider what he is doing to be an authoritative work on the subject, that shows that you are not well read about issues in New Testament theology.

He assumes that a fundamentalist approach to scripture is the only one that is Christian. This is a typical atheist lie, that in order to be a Christian, you have to read the Bible and take every single thing literally, and not study the traditions and culture that informs the Word of God. Of course, the person on the video does not do this, he is more concerned with getting a laugh out of people than being accurate.

I actually saw this same person on YouTube smoking a bong and then talking about atheism. If this is who you want to learn about Biblical criticism from, that shows you aren't serious about it.

This is just pure propaganda, designed to take women away from the church and get people into drugs and follow an easy course of life.

"Who are you going to believe: God or logic"
This is so typical, the word logic actually does not refer to any mathematical system in which self evident truths are related to each other through established means, but instead refers to the culture of atheism. There is no logic to prove that women should have the same roles as men. If anything, the closest scientific evidence would say that they are different, in many many ways.

People that use the term "logic" to mean "an argument from authority" should be given the title "propagandist". That is all they are.