(March 2, 2013 at 10:24 pm)jstrodel Wrote: That is because I don't really know what the correct position is. I have thought about gender issues a good amount in the Bible. There are different positions people take. You mention "the Bible puts women below men" and you treat this as a self-evident assertion of the Bible's moral inferiority, yet you give no evidence. I think it is an interesting and perplexing aspect of scripture that men and women are repeatedly given different roles. It is true obviously that they have different roles biological, women are able to produce children while men are not.
Whether in fact men are to be given greater spiritual authority than women, I believe is very probable. I grew up in a feminist home in which my mother and father both had equal say in what happened. The result was chaos, they fought all the time, there was no peace, there was no sense of order. My dad bought into feminist values to a large degree and there was a sense that equality between genders was something that was stressed.
Was this the right way to run a family? Well, it created a lot of problems, as I said, there was a lot of chaos. Men and women are biologically different and there is biblical evidence for treating them as being different, although many Christians do not read the Bible the way that the man in the video said.
I really could not say what is the answer. I do not think that it is self evident the proposition "some passages of scripture teach male leadership as greater than female leadership" in any way entails the moral inferiority of scripture. Where do you deduce this from? From what assumption about human nature do you come to the conclusion which men and women, biologically very different should have the exact same roles. This is not self evident to me, I think it is likely false, but I don't know the exact form that should manifest.
Feminism is a very new movement, it has not been around for very long at all. To say that lack of agreement with feminist theory constitutes an absolute intrinsic evil, a standard that can be measured absolutely against the Bible is to fail to see that the standard originates in a human movement.
What is your basis for claiming that feminist values supersede the Bible?
And yet, even as I say this, scripture itself declares that husbands and wives should "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ" and the Deborah was the prophetess who ruled over Israel and that there is "no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free but Christ is all and in all" Gal 3.
I do not know what to make of this issue, but frankly I know that the person who posted this video does not know enough to be taken seriously. If you consider what he is doing to be an authoritative work on the subject, that shows that you are not well read about issues in New Testament theology.
He assumes that a fundamentalist approach to scripture is the only one that is Christian. This is a typical atheist lie, that in order to be a Christian, you have to read the Bible and take every single thing literally, and not study the traditions and culture that informs the Word of God. Of course, the person on the video does not do this, he is more concerned with getting a laugh out of people than being accurate.
I actually saw this same person on YouTube smoking a bong and then talking about atheism. If this is who you want to learn about Biblical criticism from, that shows you aren't serious about it.
Because he partakes in recreational drug-use, drug-use that's not harmful to his body at all and isn't even a sin in your God's eyes, that makes his opinion worthless? And you call atheists closed-minded.
I guess, in terms of world history, you could call feminism young (I'd say it started about 180 years ago, with women like Elizabeth Stanton), but I wouldn't call it young because 180 years of women fighting for egality and to still not have it today, that's pathetic. At least, that's the way it is in America.
Now, at the time the Bible was written, everybody thought - actually, they knew - that women were inferior to men. That men were the dominant figures in the home. But like everything in the Bible, this outlook is outdated. If the Bible is truly the word of God, why would he place such a closed-minded, narrow view on women here? Women are just as intelligent and just as strong as men are, in today's world. How could he have not seen that? Is it because the Bible was written by a bunch of men around that time, and God had absolutely nothing to do with it? That would explain why the Bible depicts the Earth as flat. Human understanding around that time was that the Earth was flat and women and men were not equal. Only makes sense.
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