(March 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Since you did not give my points detailed analysis, neither will I give your points detailed analysis. I think the passage about 50 shekels of silver is a specific case of semi-consensual sexual activity. The Hebrew word means "seize".
Actually, there is no Hebrew word for seize in there. It is "find" or "discovers" from the root מצא. A seizing would not be in the קל form anyhow, despite the root.
But I will concede that I did not read the actual text, as I should have done, and I apologize for not having done so. I was lazy, did a quick google search on the verse, and got a "God's Word Bible" that listed it as:
God's Word Wrote:This is what you must do when a man rapes a virgin who isn't engaged. When the crime is discovered...
And for relying on a Christian text, I admit my error of laziness.
Here is the actual text (my translation):
Egross Wrote:For when a man shall find a young woman, a virgin that is not in the erushah [stage of marriage] (monetary contract, which is before erusin stage where he takes her), and he lays with her and they are found, and the man who lays with her gives to the father of the young woman 50 shekels...[etc]
So the verse obviously means a couple caught in the act, which may or may not be forcible, but the woman has no choice but to be his wife for the rest of her life. That will teach them!
(March 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm)jstrodel Wrote: You have probably never done a serious Bible study in your life.
Yeah, all those years in yeshivot and kollel and daf yomi were just for laughs.

As for the rest of your rant (and I refuse to spend the time necessary to correct your misunderstanding of halachah concerning the logical problem posed by this text, the correction, and the status of the woman as a result)...
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“I've done everything the Bible says — even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff!"— Ned Flanders