(March 25, 2013 at 5:11 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: I know your kind likes to use the word "goverment" because it has almoust established itself to be a swearword in the liberterian circles.Firstly, don't call me "your kind". I'm a person here, and I'm speaking as a person.
Yet in this case the correct term to be used is Law Inforcement which probably is nowhere (but can be) privat.
Secondly, Law Enforcement is part of the government. The government both creates and enforces laws. Indeed, often it is illegal for private citizens to enforce the law.
Quote:If law inforcement would stop registering guns it would only create a legal relaim for those who give arms to illegal circles. A gun bought and registered at the local magistrate, which is later found at a murder scene, can be traced back to the owner with the registration number, who than has to stand responsibility and explain why the firearm he purchased was found at a murder scene.I'm not arguing that we should stop registering guns; never have. All I said was that there are already unregistered guns out there; the government knows nothing about them because they are unregistered. Printing guns would add to that problem, yes, but honest citizens would follow laws and register any guns that they made themselves. I also believe that you currently need a gun manufacturing license in order to print a gun anyway.
Quote:Banning the registration of firearms will create a legal relaim in which people who should own firearms can easily come to those via third persons.Again, I never said we should ban the registration of firearms. Are you putting words in my mouth?
Quote:Simply stating that "criminals will do crimes anyway" is not a viable exuse to deregulate laws to create a legal relaim. It is actualy a really childish way of seing things.I'm not using it as an excuse to deregulate laws. I'm using it as an excuse not to create further laws which serve no actual purpose. It is not illegal to manufacture guns. Whilst that is true, there should be no restriction on the methods made to manufacture guns, as long as such methods comply with related legislation (i.e. work safety, etc.).
Lets legalise murder because murderers will murder anyway!
Lets legalise rape because rapists will rape anyway!
Lets legalise speeding because speeders will speed anyway!
It is the purpose of laws to make criminal behavior as difficult as possible, and not to give potential criminals a legal relaim to act within.
Printing guns might actually be a more efficient way of producing guns in the future. We should not restrict it; doing such would only impede progress.
Quote:Who is talking about banning?!?!If you don't think the anti-gun crowd aren't talking about banning these methods of producing guns, you are having a laugh. Can I show you who is doing that? Yes, but next time, why not do a quick Google search?
Can you show me who is doing that?!
I do simply think that this is troubling and could have dangerous consequences and that therefor: debate should exist over responsible use and how abuse can be prevented.
You should try for once not to think in extremes!
http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera...-20130220/
http://boingboing.net/2012/12/09/congres...-on-3.html
I'm not thinking in extremes; I'm reacting to the action and calls for action already being taken. It makes no sense to ban a method of production; it makes lots of sense to require registration for printed guns, and for people who want to print them to have a gun manufacturing license.