(March 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm)jstrodel Wrote:(March 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What is the justification for morals? What is the justification for free-will? What is the justification for justice? Human rights? Perpetual identity? There is none. Yet these effect us the most.
The most sacred of humanity's beliefs are without justification. They cannot be proven but humanity needs to hold on to them.
I think they can be proven, but I think people should hold on to them. Maybe not proven directly.
Well if you can prove God, you can prove them. However, I don't think God or supernatural benevolent creator can be proven except through these very things. That would make it circular reasoning. If it said belief in God is properly basic, then the proof is only useful to those to whom God seems more manifest than existence of morality, praise, etc...
Although I did have an argument that went on the lines of this (will modify it now):
1) The nature of what we know of praise and morals implies the need of a supernatural Creator as the basis of them for them to be true.
2) We would not have that knowledge of praise and morals implying the need of a supernatural creator if we didn't have knowledge praise and morals or if morals and praise didn't come from a supernatural creator.
3) Therefore we have knowledge of praise and morals and knowledge of supernatural creator as the basis of them to be true.
I am not sure of it, but it seems correct to me.