atheism, philosophy and emotional immaturity

[Mystic]

There is no real difference in the analogy. The analogy was to say, it's part of the human experience to believe in holiness, sacred, and supernatural, just like it is to believe in morals, free-will, identity.

In fact, holiness is subsect of praise. Easy to dismiss the praise you don't believe in.

The analogy is not weakened at all by that difference.

Perhaps I misunderstood your analogy. I agree that humans are sometimes inclined to believe in the supernatural, etc.

The point I was making was that, assuming free will exists, it is still a concept; there can be no physical proof of free will. God, on the other hand, could simply make an appearance and prove himself. I know that theists like to argue that god is non-physical, but he has physical effects (unless he never interacts with the world), and these effects should be scientifically verifiable (unless he is deliberately hiding).

Maybe they are but you need perspective. For example, if a giant spoon appeared in the sky and fell down, we can assume there needs to be a cause.

But what if particles are constantly being streamed into existence by the creator or don't follow a pattern at all, and hence constantly randomly controlled.

You would not know that if ontologically you didn't know, "from nothing, nothing follows".

Therefore when people say empirical evidence suggests things are uncaused or come to exist with no cause, I say that means ontological reasoning suggests there is a supernatural cause.

But science right now is allergic to the supernatural. So even if the evidence was right there sitting in front of you, it would not be admitted.

Also the very knowledge of praise, the soul, perpetual identity, morality, can be a proof of the supernatural creator.

Moreover, if you look how much things we lucked out with, in nature, physical things horses, donkeys, dogs, like different type of foods, etc, all this was not necessary. It's all taken for granted. The metals we have that came from comets, etc...

It's another thing to demand that everyone be convinced of the Creator or else he doesn't exist or there is no evidence of his existence.