(April 22, 2013 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote:
Tonus Wrote:There are some seven billion people on this planet. Around five billion of them do not recognize Jesus Christ as a savior. If the way to god is through Christ, billions of people are not going to find god. Do you consider that to be irrational, or unfounded? If so, why?
Where did you get your info, even if it's accurate 2 billion people is far more than a handful as you stated, it's nearly 30%. Your revision of your statement is probably closer to reality.
Godschild Wrote:I make no excuses for God, don't need to, He's able to take care of Himself and maybe He'll show himself to you. Let me ask you a question do you want God to come to you and save you? This is a simple question that should have a simple answer.
Tonas Wrote:I don't want your god to come to me and save me. I also know that he won't, because he cannot. And that is why you have to make excuses for him. Theists have a seemingly endless list of 'reasons' for why god won't reveal himself to humanity and instead allows people to do horrific things, sometimes even in his own name!
You say you do not want God to save you and the rest of those who aren't saved probably feel the same. So why should He force you to live in eternity with Him if that's not your desire or anyone else for that matter. You said He should save those who do not desire it, so why did you change your mind.
Please show me the endless excuses Christians use for God not presenting Himself to man in a way everyone can know He's real.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
