RE: Has atheism made you different?
April 23, 2013 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2013 at 3:32 pm by Angrboda.)
Dawud. In no particular order.
1. You're a monumental douchebag.
2. You're conflating atheism the social movement, atheist the self-identity, and being an atheist. I'm relatively certain that lacking a belief never motivated anybody to do something in and of itself. Centuries worth of bronze age Egyptians did not believe in Allah and their not believing in Allah had no effect on them.
3. Even if "atheism" in some nebulous sense motivates or affects atheists in certain ways, what is important is not that mere possibility but the specific ways in which atheism motivates or changes an atheist's behavior (I'll get to Stalin in a minute). In no way is it comparable to the way in which religion affects the religious, and no pointing of fingers at what atheists do or have done is going to whitewash what religious fucktards do and have done. It doesn't balance the motivational scales at all. Or have you forgotten that your Muslim brothers continue to blow themselves and innocent men, women, and children up in the name of Allah? That's an effect we can see.
4. Christians and Muslims seem to want, actually desperately need, to drag everybody down to their level. This displays an obvious inferiority complex, as well as a guilty conscience. It sounds to me that you're aware of what the real problem is, and it isn't atheists or atheism.
5. As noted elsewhere, as long as you're stuck in the paradigm of belief and lack of belief, you will not be able to successfully complete your project.
6. As someone who has studied psychology and the human mind her whole life, it's clear you're relying on a mix of folk psychology and a few follies of your own thrown in to explain the behavior of atheists. In a nutshell, you don't have the first fucking clue about real psychology, so anything you do demonstrate ends up built upon nonsense beliefs about psychology.
7. Regarding Stalin, and the Communists in general. First, in addition to being a tu quoque argument to excuse religious evils, and not connecting with the behavior of atheists generally, it shows a remarkable ignorance of history. The communists persecuted religion because according to communist philosophy, religion hindered and impeded the development of the ideal communist state, and therefore to engage in religious practice was a crime against the proletariat. Just as in the previous example of atheists reacting to theism, communists were reacting to what they perceived to be a threat to the good of society, namely religion. It was a reaction to what they saw as the harmful effects of religion, though those harmful effects were defined considerably differently than contemporary atheists define them, and than those outside Marxist, socialist politics might have defined them. They weren't promoting atheism for atheism's sake. So your whole point is botched by the particulars. More than that, however, I will agree with you that there are extremes in combating religion which are not justified by the potential fruits; however, I would evaluate the justifiability of a reaction to religion on the merits of the individual case, not based on a stereotyped response that reacting to religion negatively is always wrong, nor that atheism in some sense 'causes' any unjustifiable reactions.
I'll also admit that your posts, not my religious beliefs, are motivating me to learn more about Islam and Muslims, not in the interests of peace, but simply to become a more effective weapon against your kind.