Are you for or against the separation of church and state?

[Esquilax]

Beyond that, if you've got a god responsible for the creation of everything that exists, then by necessity he created sin even if it is a conceptual thing. If he created the capacity for sin to occur then he's responsible for it when it does;

We went from talking about God's creating evil to Him being responsible for it. It seems we're in agreement, then, that God need not contain evil for evil to exist, and that sin need not come from outside the universe. It remains a possibility that God is perfectly good. Of course you can still blame Him for evil, but only to the degree that you blame a teacher for letting her students get Fs when they don't study--it's still humanity's fault.

I think we're talking about different things, here. I'm just observing that if god didn't directly create sin- and sin wasn't a part of his garden of eden plan in the first place- then we have an example of something coming from nothing. I don't really care about the morality of god beyond that single point, here.

Not to distract from this amazing conversation about... bananas?

Okay. Bananas...