RE: Religion trumps fact once again
May 4, 2013 at 11:59 am
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2013 at 12:03 pm by A_Nony_Mouse.)
(May 3, 2013 at 4:24 pm)apophenia Wrote:(May 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I do have to see this film. I'm not sure where Ziv is coming from. As I recall there was no diaspora in the wake of the Great Revolt as opposed to the end of the bar Kochba revolt. In 70 the Romans massacred the defenders of Jerusalem and the Tenth Legion relocated its permanent base to the remains of the city but Jews were not barred from Judaea as they were after the bar Kochba revolt ended.
By this time in history there were large Jewish enclaves in Alexandria and Babylon anyway.
Aside from the fact that he may be asserting something which did not happen what is the big controversy?
It's a $15 download. http://www.nfb.ca/film/exile_a_myth_unearthed/download/
It appears to be on google play, too. ($10) https://play.google.com/store/movies/det...JMA0&hl=en
And youtube, also $10. https://www.youtube.com/movie/exile-a-myth-unearthed
Film review: http://povmagazine.com/blog/view/review-...-unearthed
Quote:Unfortunately, Exile doesn’t come close to answering the questions it poses. Situating part of the film in the locale where Sepphoris, the home of the Virgin Mary’s parents once dwelled, hardly makes the point that Jews stayed on in Galilee after 70 AD. Unlike the vast majority of towns in ancient Judea, Sepphoris’ citizens didn’t participate in the rebellion and so were never exiled by the Romans—-if such orders ever did take place. It makes sense that Jewish ruins from the period after 70 AD would be found in Sepphoris.
This clown is not qualified to review the subject. Jews was identical with Judeans. Only people from Judea were called Jews. People from the Galilee were called Galileans. That statement is like saying Ohioans stayed in Kentucky without being called Kentuckians in the first place.
There was never any expulsion from Judea at any time. ALL the surviving documents refer only to exile from Jerusalem not from Judea. Justin even "reverses" the expulsion order by proclaiming Jews can return to Jerusalem not to Judea.
Quote:Similarly, the doc unquestioningly uses Josephus, the Roman historian, as a source for much of their information on the period of the Jewish revolt and purported exile. While that makes sense—Josephus’ accounts are the best known resources on the “Jewish Wars”—-it should have been made clearer that many scholars regard this classical historian with a great deal of suspicion. After all, he did join the Romans after losing major battles during the Wars, and may be considered a traitor to the Jewish cause.
Josephus is not just the best known source. He is also the only source. Any "scholar" who makes up crap isn't. As he is the only source anything he did not write is total invention. Citing ancient invention is invention by proxy and has no more merit than original invention.
Quote:In the end, the filmmakers involved in Exile don’t really prove anything. They do succeed in raising another fascinating question: if the Jews really didn’t leave in 70 AD, what became of them 600 years later, after the rise of Mohammedanism? Did they become the Palestinians?
There is nothing to prove. There no evidence of an exile from Judea. Read The Invention of the Jewish People. There was no Diaspora. It was all conversion. Christians did not invent conversion, Judeans did.
They were ALWAYS Palestinians as so far as we know that was always the name of the geographic region. That the Judeans converted to both Christianity and Islam was never in question until the zionists created there own mythology. David Ben-Gurion has been quoted as saying it in private even though he whined about expulsion in public.
(May 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I do have to see this film. I'm not sure where Ziv is coming from. As I recall there was no diaspora in the wake of the Great Revolt as opposed to the end of the bar Kochba revolt. In 70 the Romans massacred the defenders of Jerusalem and the Tenth Legion relocated its permanent base to the remains of the city but Jews were not barred from Judaea as they were after the bar Kochba revolt ended.
Barred from Jerusalem not Judea.
In fact barred from being in sight of Jerusalem possibly as some famous Jew from the 2nd c. or so mentions sneaking close enough to see Jerusalem in the distance. Meaning if Judeans lived just outside the walls they could sneak in so not is sight of prevented that.
