How do you know God isn't dead?

[The Grand Nudger]

No it must happen that way, you just do not seem to get it.

No, statler, it "must not", and lets be clear - you're reasserting a point here that you will concede later in your own post. Or were you unaware of this? Gee, wonder how that could have happened.

If all Humans possess a certain cognitive capacity, there must be a reason for that. Either it became fixed through Natural Selection or it became fixed through drift and Neutral Mutation.

And? Either are capable of handling the job. That they're always working together in that capacity makes the load even lighter on either.

The latter has never been observed to create new genetic information and to suggest it can is mathematically absurd.

Mutation has never been observed to create "new genetic information"? News to me.

So it must have had to be through Natural Selection, so what were the selective pressures that fixed it? (Random and non-random selection are merely subtypes of selection, so you still only have two mechanisms)

Natural selection does not create the things that it operates upon (try not to waffle back and forth from one sentence to the next). -That- is what has never been observed - because it lacks this ability as a mechanism. Here again I have to correct you. Drift is not selection. Drift is the effect of chance. Could be either drift or selection - you'd have to be specific about what you were asking me.

Wrong again, if you’re going to postulate that all life on earth arose from a common ancestor then you need a mechanism that gives rise to new genes and genetic information, you have none.

As has been explained to you, mutation. We'll get to new genes in just a moment.

So talk about the frequencies of genetic information in populations all you want but until you can originate the novel genetic information in the first place it’s all a waste.

So I guess I won't have to listen to any more of this nonsense, right?

Because you were wasting my time with a multitude of red herring arguments; so what were the selective pressures that gave rise to the new mental capacities found only in Humans? Do not toss out some red herring about neutral mutations because you’ve finally admitted that it cannot give rise to new genetic information.

I'm correcting your numerous mistakes and misunderstandings. You're the one "creating new information" -in this thread. Which mental capacities are found only in humans? We'd need to isolate that first, wouldn't we? In general "mental capacities carry with them a massive set of advantages - one could almost take their pick from any advantage one managed to dream up (with their mental capacities...no less). Mutations don't give rise to "new information"? That's the second time in this thread that you've made that claim......and nowhere have I conceded any such thing. It would be ignorant to do so.

I’ve already learned the theory. The biggest problem is you do not understand your own theory. When you get pinned in a corner you toss out some jargon you’ve no doubt read on some website, and then when I point out that does not solve the problem you reverse your position and claim you knew it didn’t all along. Well then why toss it out? You do not have the proper grasp of the theory in order to play this game; it takes more than simple jargon and verbiage.

Seeing as I haven't found myself in any corner yet - the rest of your fantasies about what happens when that moment comes...will have to wait for that moment.

Sure, but how does the mutation become fixed and how does it give rise to new genes?

Thank you for finally conceding the point you've spent pages avoiding by arguing against a whole host of shit you decided to offer up. The answer is the same now as it was then. Selection, and drift. As far as new genes, the most common mechanism appears to be duplication.

One mutation on one base pair is not going to get you anything.

Good thing we aren't talking about a single mutation then, eh?

You’re arguing an irrelevant point.

Arguing this subject with you is -always- irrelevant. It doesn't matter what point is being made. lol. I've got a fun little idea for how to attenuate these posts going forward, gonna try it out on your next one.