RE: One question for Christians
July 5, 2013 at 9:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2013 at 9:33 pm by Godscreated.)
(July 5, 2013 at 3:07 am)Esquilax Wrote:(July 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's design, how His design works is beyond all of us, if it wasn't we would not be arguing about this.
If it's beyond us, then by definition it's beyond you too, so where do you get off making any declarative statements about it, like, say, that your god didn't use evolution as his mechanism of creation?
And how can you possibly say that his word leads to eternal life? It's beyond us, right? Hell, maybe god has some really good reason to feature in his design a series of heuristics that make it so we would, inevitably, create a number of false divine books filled with lies, of which the bible is one. Maybe he's having another bet, like he did regarding Job, and we're just losing for his side.
It's all beyond us, after all. Right?
Not all, when one is in a relationship with Him we are able to see His truths on those things that are important to our lives.
(July 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Esquilax Wrote:(July 5, 2013 at 9:52 am)ronedee Wrote: How would "you" know God's design? Even have an inkling of it?
You first need to acknowledge Jesus. For He is "the Way, the Truth and the Life."
... Except if, as I detailed, the creator has a really excellent reason to lie. Maybe it's a part of his plan. Maybe something was off in the mind he constructed leading to misinterpretation or mistranslation of his words to a human mind, but he's too concerned about free will to alter it. Maybe satan's been tricking you from the beginning. Maybe a whole bunch of things.
See, you guys make a big show of putting god on the Unknowable shelf to keep him free from criticism, but at the same time, that very shelf puts a big question mark next to anything you guys want to say you know about him. If he's unknowable, if his plans for the universe are so vast as to be beyond comprehension, if his ways are indeed mysterious, then you guys know pretty much the same things about him as we do, and that amounts to approximately nothing.
So, when you say that jesus is the way, the truth and what have you, you have no justification for believing that to be true, because for all you know, god was just doing his Job thing again and trying to temp mankind away from him with a false messiah, and you guys all fell for it. You could all be hellbound for being christians. Do you know more than your god?
We do not need to know more than God, we only need to know Him and accept what was done for us. Then we have the mind that created the universe to enlighten us, so the little drab and drool that escapes from your Satan controlled mouth can not nor does not impress us in the least, a thing we learned from Job.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.