(July 13, 2013 at 5:19 pm)Consilius Wrote:(July 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: AssumptionThe cause of the universe made time, hence it was not limited by time. Edison didn't need a lightbulb. The cause of the universe is timeless.
The cause of the universe made cause, hence it is not a product of cause. The father of cause cannot also be the son of cause. Therfore, it is uncaused.Quote:Assumption. you still haven't addressed how causation works without time.Our cause of the universe does not need time to make time, as Edison didn't need to work by electrical light. The cause of the universe caused the universe without using time. The expansion of the universe (time) helped the universe to cause things in a more independent manner. You can build a robot without the help of a robot and let the machine do what you could do yourself, but on its own. Yet the robot can do nothing outside of what it was intended to do and its all of your idea.
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