(July 25, 2013 at 12:30 am)Drich Wrote: Uh, no. God created Adam. From Adam produced Eve. After the Fall Adam and Eve began the reproduction process the spawned the rest of Humanity.
And god wasn't aware- indeed, had planned via placing an unnecessary tree in the garden to tempt them- that this was going to happen?
Quote:'we' are copies of God orginal creation. We are not created by God as Adam or even Eve was created by God. If you have a belly button your just a knock off.
Does anything happen that's not in accordance with god's will?
Quote:Has a blind man been deceived? Being place here simply equates to us being blinded to the known glory of God initially. If you want to be made aware of it all you have to do is A/S/K, and He has promised to make His glory known to you. In other words if your blind simply ask to see.
Why have I been made blind to begin with? I didn't start out blind, I was blindfolded and then asked to make a choice that I could only make by seeing, that affects my whole eternity. This is not a fair, just, or rational system.
Quote:The 'Matrix' isn't about pride and punishment. It's about give us the opportunity to choose God and forgiveness over our Pride and selfish want and desire.
And what's wrong about being informed before having to make this choice? Why does god hate people having good information before choosing things?
Quote:Nothing. He freely gives to those who A/S/K. For those who can not be bother to A/S/K then I guess they would not be interested in what He has to show them to A/S/K.
Why add in the obfuscation, though? It's exactly what I said: we don't all have the full information that is required, yet we're all expected to make the choice.
And we've already discussed why this A/S/K thing is entirely irrational. We've discussed it to death.
Quote:So? Do tyrants Judge Justly? Accurate Just judgement is something you can not do or eve experience in this life for no one has the ablity to see and judge all aspects of not only your physical life but your thoughts and motivations as well.
I guarantee you that all of those tyrants were of the position that their judgments were just and accurate too.
Quote: No. We are literal Slaves to sin, and we can not serve two masters. We are bound to love one and despise the other. For those who want to love God a way has been provided for those who A/S/K. For those who don't will despise God.
Why would god not give us all the knowledge at the outset so we can choose correctly? Because that's the implication; you believe that heaven is the correct choice, hell is the incorrect one, and that god would deliberately obfuscate himself behind this A/S/K paywall so that people that he apparently loves can make the wrong choice, without ever knowing that's what they're doing.
How can you square this with the idea of just judgments?
Quote:Pride is the only thing that keeps anyone from God, once they have heard of Him. Pride in that the ways and understandings of man somehow trump God.
So then knowledge of heaven wouldn't do anything to influence our ability to choose unduly, and yet it's still kept from us. Gotcha.
Quote: Christians are not born with the knowledge of God they simply elect to have knowledge of God seek it and search it out and God gives us what He has promised in the bible. (Knoweledge, teaching and wisdom via the Holy Spirit.) That is the only difference between me and many of you.
Which is an irrational presupposition from the outset. Seriously, knowledge only influences one to have a higher chance of making a correct decision; what does god have against people making correct decisions?
Quote:I said if God's Glory (You were completely informed of the decision you were going to make) were completely known someone of us would lie to ourselves to get to Heaven for fear of a very real Hell.. That is why you have been blinded by God and placed in this world/matrix. So that only those who want to see/who have asked to see in order to make their decision are allowed to see what they are able to process.
Meaning god wants people to go to hell if they won't play his game. Gotcha. God wants people to suffer, so he places them in a situation where the maximum number of people will.
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